I’m rather optimistic by nature (pheraps because I don’t have to make a living out of my photography ;): in general for media this is a time for exploring new way of doing/sharing things imo; content is king, but there are continuous leaps in how content can be put together and distributed. Burn is for sure a hell of an interesting experiment from this point of view. The tough part is that in general it’s still difficult to figure out who will pay for what…

Yesterday I was talking with two editors of local (small town in Northern Italy) newspapers: they just implemented an online version of their journals, but this was considered a NOT strategical development (since most of the revenues are still coming from the paper). They answered my doubts saying: “We know that in USA newspapers are closing but all that is so far away…”. The funny (sic) thing is that some ten years ago somebody was saying the same about the local core business (textile), China seemed so far away, and now my district’s economy has almost collapsed.

PS: here are my spingtime (grin) pictures from Moscow last week: http://www.abelequaregna.com/temp/moscow/

….” the economy will weed out…etc”…
Woahhhhow..!
What a revelation!!!???!
Good morning y’all.. From ugly San jose once again..
I see no less photo opps.. out there..
In fact the opposite..!
I already quit the freaky towtruck for “pro” photography..
through recession times.. what.. Where is the problem?..
“spring” is on the way .. and of course the “BAD WEEDS”
should stay out of work..!
We only smoke and need the good weed…!
Let the “bad weeds”, “bad newspaprz” and Expired Ideas fall
like bad teeth..
That is in fact a good thing..
There is no such a thing as recession ..
It’s just the Death of the Decadent and the Lazy
that smells so horribly bad…
And enough with the heartless the Emotional and the
Scared…
:))))))))
( people, leave your fears at home and home and go to work..
Please..)

Great work up here as usual….I am really enjoying a re-emergence of the critical eye. The craft is going to be what we make it, which suits me fine……

Tao Te Ching

32

The Way has no true shape,
And therefore none can control it.
If a ruler could control the Way
All things would follow
In harmony with his desire,
And sweet rain would fall,
Effortlessly slaking every thirst.

The Way is shaped by use,
But then the shape is lost.
Do not hold fast to shapes
But let sensation flow into the world
As a river courses down to the sea.
-Lao Tze

EVERYTHING is transformation David….bring it on! :))

running
b

people will always love stories, and good story telling will always be in high demand…
the way we best hear, see, learn, and feel may change and evolve with civilization and technology,
but it will never go away. bad times? maybe a little scary, certainly harder to make it full time…but rainy days are mixed with sun…

The blossom, the nests, Sex, renewal, that colour new oak leaves are around now what’s not to like. I like the winter as well though.

It’s defiantly a tuff time to pay the rent taking pictures but then it’s a tuff time to be a structural engineer. Things change and technology forces changes on people. You don’t see many people getting paid to play the piano at the front of the cinema nowadays but plenty of people make a living playing the piano. I’m sure every thing will work out fine in the end…. touch wood.

CIVILIAN…
this is PANOS from VENICE BEACH..
I changed my name to protagoras for you..
Welcome back..
( and don’t forget to order my Venice book..:)))

hello everyone
thank you for your inspiring thoughts, quotes and images.
i found out about this little thing earlier this year.
now addicted.
about our situation:
i am stoked to be alive in these times.
so much change
and such beautiful things…
but i am a realist too.
i am just finishing a 2 yr photo school
and am about to be pushed back into the working class
excited to bust my ass
because even if i cannot pay for things with my camera
i do other things; oh well
we will still make pictures!!
i feel lucky to have found a little niche within photography
fly fishing
there is competition
but the cream rises
and hard work is recognized

many thanks

I fall in line with the majority here. I feel excitement instead of despair for the future. Maybe we’ll see a rebirth of photographic experimentation soon. I know I wouldn’t mind picking up a mainstream magazine and not seeing one of those generic lit portraits that dominate the printed media at the moment. And with the internet opening up and increasingly becoming a paying avenue for photography, things seem bright. Well, the glimmer may be dim now, but it’s brightening. Even more, with such a huge increase in visuals, I think we’re working on a golden age of visual sophistication in audiences (that statement’s got a nasty paternalistic tone to it; why should audiences ever be considered unsophisticated?) but with so many websites and magazines and other media devoting time and space not only to visuals but to their understanding and criticism as Andy said above (a brave new world where Fox News finds time to discuss sophisticated visual characteristics of a magazine’s cover treatment of Palin (nevermind that they came down on the side that the shot needed more photoshop fakery…)) I think we’ve got more than a little hope for the future.

Unfortunately, I am gloomy about the nature of mainstream journalism as a whole in the future. Less space and time devoted to investigating and reporting important stories in prominent places is a bad thing. With niche publications (and photography as David mentioned in the post above) comes a division of the audience among many disparate sources. The BIG stories will reach everyone, but smaller still important stories will find it harder to raise awareness. Journalism will find a way to survive, and there’s no question of that. But getting the story out to people who don’t realize they need to know about it, rather than to an audience that seeks out the story, is a major concern.

DAH and burn readers worldwide,

Down here in Australia it can be hard to find a)assignments b)funding (like everywhere) but I have to say that the hardest thing to find here is communication/critique/apraisal of work with others who have a personal and dedicated approach to their photography, as well as editors, art directors, curators etc…

We only have 20 million people in this country, and as you can probably imagine finding people you trust to talk about one’s work can be difficult. Thankfully the internet makes US based forums like Burn available to us all around the world. It really is an engaging and supportive of network of people here (director, helpers and readers alike). I really like the attitudes I read here of people continuing to work, regardless of assignments/finances being readily available.

Of course our work will continue and flourish. Just keep at it and keep up the reading, the discussion, the interaction, the support and most of all, keep the cameras in hand.

Sean.

Change is the only constant. How can you rise up if you don’t embrace it? Through change, we see good and bad times. If you put positive thoughts and energy out into the universe, it will find its way back to you. Energy and the power of thought have much more influence than some realize…it is the key to unlocking most people’s dreams. Dream big or go home. I see no other way. You can decide to succeed or to fail…how you utilize your talents and bag of tricks is up to you…but dwelling on the negative is putting up your own roadblock…rise above it, and it will happen. Edgar Allan Poe was wise to observe that “They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night.” So keep striving towards your dreams…and you will hold to the key to its matching door. Luck is when opportunity meets preparation…are you prepared?

Times of crisis? Sounds like collective whining to me. Outside of the West, the “crisis” is a daily status quo, but with a lower dose of opportunity and a higher level of danger. It’s been like that for decades. Yet photographers continue to help develop the journalistic grind and artistic need of their societies.

Ask yourself how many African photographers you know of. Then eliminate the those of North African and South African origin. You started with few and are left with almost none. Yet there are growing glimmers: emerging PR/marketing photographers in Angola, a growing artistic community in Namibia, emerging independent journals in Tanzania, expanding modeling firms in South Africa.

Latin America is crippled by decades of devalued currencies, high interest rates, organized crime that make owning a camera difficult and using it dangerous. Nonetheless most countries in the region have a deeply rooted attachment to photography and visual imagery at all levels. The Bienals of Mexico City and Sao Paulo, plus FotoArte and FotoSeptiembre are all examples of how photography is promoted at a NATIONAL level.

If photography is a growing field in these places, then surely in established countries it is in no real risk. If anything, I hope the “spring cleaning” will level the playing field and give those barbarians at the gates, a more legitimate place in Rome.

JAN. There are countless amazing African photographers working.
mohamed camara
andrew dosunmu
doa aly
nontsikelelo
luis basto
omar d
fatou kande senghor
kay hassan
ali chraibi
zwelethu mthethwa
mamadou gomis
sada tangara
……… are just a few whose work you can check out.
Are they getting the coverage they deserve is another question entirely.
same goes for south america, cuba, korea and pretty much anywhere there are people.

VIVA AUSTRALIA , VIVA EUROPE, VIVA AFRICA, VIVA AMERICA, VIVA ANTARCTICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you CARRIE for the energy, “are you prepared”?…

Thank you SEAN… bring sleeves and cuffs, I am bringing ouzo!

Thank you PANOS and HERVE…Viva DARIA!!

“Beauty is a form of genius — is higher, indeed, than genius, as it needs no explanation. It is of the great facts in the world like sunlight, or springtime, or the reflection in dark water of that silver shell we call the moon.”

Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) Irish poet and dramatist.

KATHLEEN FONSECA wrote On “Times and Timing”:

” There is nobody like you.”

Babie Katie…o))
YES, THERE IS NOBODY LIKE YOU!!!!!!ALL OF You.!!!!!
Cause each one of us, we are the ENERGY ,we are the creators of the Universe, and we are Unique !!!
We COUNT on you.

P.S Where are you MGracie? Kibbutz party, New York Is BURNing…I am sending ouzo and keftedes:))))
PLATO no need to reply but with for your BIG heart there is no bra size to fit you. I already checked.

MY KATIE,

WARLUS…? Dunno?

You know what is PLATO’S fate…Don’t ya?
HIS key is awaiting moderation…
You don’t want that to happen? Don’t ya? ? Right?
Warlus no more for civilians!!!!

P.S KAT-SMART-ASS…Funniest today, Kiss our mommy…

Hi there;

There is also the theory that in general magazine & book sales go up in a recession. The reason being that people hunker down at home, they buy more books and mags and hire dvd’s instead of going out. Here in NZ that is happenning. Also, sales of “tightening your belt” type articles are up too!!

“Outside of the West, the “crisis” is a daily status quo”; how true!!! But even here, I semm to be broke most of the time too, and just say what recession? I had bugger all before and that hasn’t changed!!

I think it’s a time to think positive. When you wake up in the morning, check your pulse, and if it’s still there, how can it be a bad day?

Hopefully this will go through without be trashed as spam… again…

Cheers everyone.

OUPS!!! VIVA ASIA too!!!

I am a dunno ,
I am a walrus,
I am a rainbow,
I am a cloud,
I am the CLASSIC BEEF around…

LOVE U ALL
SMILE to the universe and The universe will smile back
VIVA ouzo

Just had This guy http://www.singergallery.com/gallery.cfm?artistID=151 staying with us for a few days.
He came to do a portrait of bret. he seems to have got around the problem of looking for work by decking out a photo car and touring it all over europe, taking pictures, doing shows and getting drunk a lot.
On the subject of self portraits, i guess we have all tried it. I fail everytime as I cannot seem to get near this:- http://www.flickr.com/photos/brettwalker/3238408237/ Portrait of me .
potatoshopped to hell and back, but fully {IMO] in service of THE IMAGE.

hahahaha.
this is the way to spring clean…
a blonde clean mop with a dose of bleached-may-become-dirty HUMOR!!

but seriously, i thought I HAD the biggest heart… 46GG.
but i guess, HE has the biggerest one.
(civilian checked – his word is gospel to me)

CMA: Yes, You guessed right. He can’t hold it anymore.

CMA IRL: Akaky is me and I am Akaky.

CMA: How does it feel?

CMA IRL: It sucks. F&^*K

2 from Beckett, and that’s it for the week….

NEITHER

to and fro in shadow from inner to outer shadow

from impenetrable self to impenetrable unself
by way of neither

as between two lit refuges whose doors once
neared gently close, once away turned from
gently part again

beckoned back and forth and turned away

heedless of the way, intent on the one gleam
or the other

unheard footfalls only sound

till at last halt for good, absent for good
from self and other

then no sound

then gently light unfading on that unheeded
neither

unspeakable home”

and from the end of The Unnamable:

It’s the last words, the true last. Or it’s the murmurs: the murmurs are coming, I know that well. No, not even that. You talk of murmurs, distant cries, as long as you can talk. You talk of them before and you talk of them after. More lies: it will be the silence (the one that doesn’t last) spent listening, spent waiting (for it to be broken, for the voice to break it). Perhaps there’s no other, I don’t know. It’s not worth having, that’s all I know. (It’s not I, that’s all I know.) It’s not mine. It’s the only one I ever had? That’s a lie: I must have had the other, the one that lasts – but it didn’t last. (I don’t understand.) That is to say it did: it still lasts. I’m still in it. I left myself behind in it. I’m waiting for me there. (No, there you don’t wait, you don’t listen.)

I don’t know: perhaps it’s a dream, all a dream. (That would surprise me.) I’ll wake, in the silence, and never sleep again. (It will be I?) Or dream (dream again), dream of a silence, a dream silence, full of murmurs (I don’t know, that’s all words), never wake (all words, there’s nothing else).

You must go on, that’s all I know.

They’re going to stop, I know that well: I can feel it. They’re going to abandon me. It will be the silence, for a moment (a good few moments). Or it will be mine? The lasting one, that didn’t last, that still lasts? It will be I?

You must go on.

I can’t go on.

You must go on.

I’ll go on. You must say words, as long as there are any – until they find me, until they say me. (Strange pain, strange sin!) You must go on. Perhaps it’s done already. Perhaps they have said me already. Perhaps they have carried me to the threshold of my story, before the door that opens on my story. (That would surprise me, if it opens.)

It will be I? It will be the silence, where I am? I don’t know, I’ll never know: in the silence you don’t know.

You must go on.

I can’t go on.

I’ll go on.

Kat,

Multiple thefts, a few rapes and half a dozen murders, so I left home for safer pastures for a while. But I found I miss the chaos and the urgent reality of it all. It is also not all Hell, there are plenty of moments of beauty and peace. Indeed, I feel no urgency or need in documenting all of this injustice, and instead challenge myself to find/create images that exist despite it.

Case in point: I was in Mauritania earlier last year. I went North to South overland via Morocco to Noudhibou, where there is an enormous ship graveyard. 400-500 ships in a bay, abandoned due to insurance fraud. Fascinating I thought, so I went to see this for myself. This is also where Senegalese immigrants illegally embark toward the Canary islands. They are employed in sub-human conditions in the fishing trade. Kilometers and Kilometers of huts where they cut up fish, dry shark fins and save enough money and salvage enough oil drums until they build themselves a raft. Mauritania abolished slavery in 1981 and then again a couple of years ago. So slaves are still a very strong reality—or at the very least indentured servants. The intersection of slaves, illegal immigrants and poverty is of course extremely volatile and a great PJ assignment.

Due to various mis-adventures I spent time in detention with the immigrants, slept in a mine-field, was threatened (and gun pointed) by the military police, accused of espionage and was let free by a generous guard. On the flip side I was given absolute protection and shelter by strangers who took me into their homes, fed me, clothed me, and made sure I had everything I could to complete my shoot of the boats. They introduced me to local dignitaries and artists, and we spent nights debating sex and Sufism while drinking tea and milk.

Despite corruption on a grand scale, theft was never an issue and my camera stayed with me the whole time. I had an opportunity most PJ photographers would dream for: Inside time and perspective with the issue of immigration and slavery. I took few pictures, of this. Mostly because this was my private story and adventure and exposing this intimacy was not my pictorial purpose. I was going to Noadhibou to see the boats, period. Honestly, I wasn’t shocked by the human suffering, because I’ve been around it most of my life in one form or another. I shared bread and water, contacted families upon my release, and tell the story, but to document it… To expose the slave/servants was partially dangerous to my well being, but mostly to theirs; in some cases it was unfair to my generous hosts, who were risking antagonizing the villainous military by taking me in. And yet it wasn’t unfair at all to not document–honor, beauty, safety, and politics each found its niche and was respected in ways that Mungo Park or Livingston would understand, but few today can appreciate. All of us knew this and respected this in each other.

The immigrants wanted help where I could concretely and immediately offer it–just like my needing food and water. They knew I would go free before them so they asked me to contact their families and convey messages, they did not want or need a political essay. The servant/slaves knew I could not do anything for them but knew that by being a foreigner I would personally treat them as men, and this meant a replenishing of base honor and humanity. My hosts gave protection and (without need to say so) expected respect to their customs. All of them were intrigued by my traveling so far to see dead boats.

I realize my behavior is criticized by many. “How could you not document it, so as to expose it?” It was a personal experience. Also, and perhaps I am deluding myself, but highlight the symmetry of the wrecks, and find anthropomorphic elements in them is also telling the unseen story. For every print I sell, the story is told (Hell, I am telling the basics of the story here too). And when the pictures are seen elsewhere, the owner will likely say “This is from Nouadhibou. I met the photographer”… And my story and that of all I met will be retold, without needing to show it….The horizon we see is as much made by what is present as by what remains veiled.

Peace

Spring cleaning? Great! Pity we’re heading into winter way down here!!! The first frosts have hit, autumn has started..

The whole cosmos is with Italy right now

BBC & CNN sucks…
sorry Gracie…
L’Aquila………. hold on tight… you’ll be alright……
VIVA ITALIA…
IF i could pray… then i would pray for Italy tonight…
Going to San Francisco tomorrow morning……. another earthquake “party” town…..

Love U2 pretty blondie Gracie ( Leontion ), hot mamasita…:)))))))))))))

ok…enough with my “harassment”…
gotta go to bed…
my poor overweight assistant Rene…:))
well… he is sleeping in the bed next to mine in our small Motel6 room…
Poor guy ( non drinker ) is tired of me drinking all night Saporo (samurai) beer… BURNing…
and watching Discovery channel about the Holy Shroud of Jesus at the same time……… :(
good night from ugly San Jose…
off to Frisco ( the most beautiful city in the west world ) early tomorrow….
A quick shoot and then back to Big Bear tomorrow night…
Its only 500 hundred miles away… and my pretty cute red mustang horse is waiting …
big hug……..

Jan

Just saw your previous post but will respond later in the day..have to go out right now..

Civilian and Italy..

also just heard about the quake (sorry, i had the audacity to sleep 13 hours!!!)…i don’t know where this happened but i DO know about earthquakes. We just had a devastating one several months ago that, well, let’s say it created a whole ‘nother slope on the hillsides to the north of me and buried a good number of people along with it. Earthquakes are horrific amusement park thrill rides for real. The power of the human brain, our wars, our supreme majesties, our fast cars, our nuclear fusion, our race to space, all the strutting around demonstrating our superiority above all things is reduced to a pitiful whimper when the earth decides to fart out a little indigestion it’s been struggling to hold in for way too long. Bless you Italy, bless you Red Cross and neighboring nations who will come to your aid, bless you victims who have lost your homes and life-supporting infrastructure..i know your fear and trauma. Bless you, Italy at this time.

best
Kathleen

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Beatrice Hall, The Friends of Voltaire, 1906

“Everything that is really great and inspiring is created by the individual who can labor in freedom.”
Albert Einstein

FOR ALL OF YOU
ITALY keep it up. We are next to you. PLEASE don’t loose your COURAGE…

“Wealth lost is something lost, honor lost is something lost: Courage lost all is lost.”
Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

GOOD ENERGY !!! ONLY good energy we need.And remember, BURN is the place to BE!!!
Thank you Socrates for giving Plato such a courage…

Yes , you are so right Panos !!

Let’s send one Buceros bicornis to our fellow civilians.

Abele that’s for you,

L’AQUILA, The Eagle lives in our hearts
Huge Bug :)))

Panos,
Una fatsa Una ratsa
Una faccia Una razza (in Italian)

A great truth; the Mediterranean sea is really a small sea, we are all close together (and the world itself is not so much bigger than that, listen to the wise Civilian): 235 Italians died in the quake five hundreds kilometers south of my town, 200 (more?) brothers from Africa died close to the Lybian shore while trying to “illegally” immigrate in Europe last week.

“If you persist in claiming the right to divide the world into Italians and foreigners, then I must say that I have no Fatherland. I would then want the right to divide the world into disinherited and oppressed on one side, and privileged and oppressors on the other. The former are my Fatherland, the latter my foreigners” Don Lorenzo Milani, 1965 (while advocating conscientious objection)

…and Abele………..
I wish someday the Palestinians and the Israelis will also accept that truth of all truths..

UNA FACCIA , UNA RAZZA…
PEACE

sorry y’all for interrupting my late show… (distracting you with personal debates with particular individuals… it happens sometimes.. hopefully not that often…)

ok… back to our program…
here is the Vaselines lyrics…

Jesus, don’t want me for a sunbeam
Sunbeams are never made like meDon’t expect me to cry
For all the reasons we have to die
Don’t ever ask your love of me

Don’t expect me to cry
Don’t expect me to lie
Don’t expect me to die for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TZ5H6NSIwU&feature=related

laughing…
i know what you all think…
apologies…All apologies….
i’m with you…… F**k All Apologies…

( lyrics below )

What else should I be
All apologies
What else should I say
Everyone is gay
What else could I write
I dont have the right
What else should I be
All apologies

In the sun
In the sun I feed as one
In the sun
In the sun
Im married
Buried

I wish I was like you
Easily amused
Find my nest of salt
Everything is my fault
Ill take all the blame
Aqua seafoam shame
Sunburn with freezerburn
Choking on the ashes of her enemy
All in all we all are

biggest hug

MY GRACIE,

my baby Gracie, we missed you!! I am extremely tired, no power, my eyes are hurting,
it’s morning in Europe but it feels so dark…I am out of ouzo…oh,Katie ,oh,gracie

Do As Harvey wrote:
“please look at the big picture…”

To our beloved 99.9% the other non-writing, non-commenting…YOU are the REAL HEART of BURN!!!

and for those who are commenting…with WINGS or Not…Let’s Smile or no?

LET IT BE ( for now) by BEATLES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oZYqAeIdYk

VIVA COSMOS

P.S ITALY, Italia stay strong!!!
Dearest Mr.Harvey thank you for the COAL… I underestimated you.!! My apologies.

NO need to REPLY…ZZZZ

But how proud can we feel with this “DEMOCRACY”??

FREAKING SPACECOWBOY AS HELIOS

WE MISS YOU soooooooo MUCH ,I am really crying,yeah, yeah, Are you ok? I am so excited that I am out of words…BOBBY wake up

WELCOME WELCOME…
check this out dunno… back on March …
ARE YOU SURE you are not ME???

A civilian-mass audience
March 29, 2009 at 5:24 am

FROM ALL THE BURN philosophers and the BURN civilians
we send good energy to Do. As. Harvey!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnny Cash- Ring of Fire 1968
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2iv_E-Fn9E

Almost out of time …1st of April
LOVE U ALL

SEE , what I am saying!!MY GRACIE B%%%TC WEAK UPPPPPPPP. your man is here!!!
BURNians that’s why the earth is moving !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW , I can rest…

BODO …
I am with you.
BTW, will you do a blog like David B for your WIP?

ERIC
If your read this, could you please repost your new email or write me personally? So sorry, I know you posted it already but that was when I was trying to cath up on 2 months of email piling up here, and things got very chaotic. I fear I lost a lot during that time … It felt like blowing smoke signs into the air and hoping the other person would see it. Or maybe the other person was me, after all. :))
Unfortunately I cannot seem to find the comment here on Burn, where you left it.

As to meeting in Brussels: I am pretty tight April/May. But I’ll have an photo-assignment in Brussels coming up, so we could just try to combine it all? I might know about the timing after easter … Guess you’ll be with your family anyway playing bunny-father?

BTW … everytime I see an essay on boxing now I have to think of you. Have you seen this one by Maciek Nabrdalik?
http://www.viiphoto.com/showstory.php?nID=730

Hugs,
Lassal

Lassal

Will do that, sure my friend. Now I need to understand how to do it though.

Let me start by saying I read 99% of the comments here. I’m trying really hard to figure out how Panos is such a destructive force here.

He questions things in his own style, surely, sometimes it’s an obtuse one, but the guy has passion and questions everything — photograph and comment alike. Cries when out for Jim, who was hard-headed and blunt and disparaging, with none of the upside of Panos’ rants.

It seems a clash of personalities and nothing else. I don’t agree with everything Protagoras has to say, but you know what, you can scroll down –away from the madness– if you want to.

I think DAH has been pretty clear in his dedication to freedom of expression here, so let it go everyone, scroll down to the “Leave a Reply” box and continue on the conversation you want to have.

Everyone seems like a Lobbyist here, DAH’s doing enough without having to wade in on every bitter argument.

Or maybe, like Librarians…. shhhhhhh — we’re working/studying/being serious.

Everyone has a right to their own reactions. And everyone has a right to have a reaction to those reactions.

But there is no “authority” in interpersonal relations, the only choice is to separate.

Dearest IORIO,

It seems that we have so many LEFT-brainians in one place
and I guess someone has not tried my ouzo yet …oups, I cannot talk about that either !!!!

PANOS SKOULIDAS, you are a right brainian for sure…Believe me, I am too,
but I am dyslexic…
PANOS !!You are SO Greek!!! You are so Kazantzakis but you know better than me what his fate was.
You got to understand that they will never understand…Never…but it’s all right dunno.
BIG HUGS, no bugs no more:)))))))))))))

PLATO once wrote:
“keep those damned windows opened!!!! the minute the room gets stifling, i am outta here…”:

LOVE U ALL
Bring more smiles and more photos and more right brains, PLEASE

DAH

…any chance for us to meet??…

sure! I will be very happy to meet you and share some talk and some glasses of local good-good red wine… Just let me know your trip details as soon you fix them… ciao!

CIVILIAN…
what can i say!
its the ultimate flatter just by bringing up the name of my favorite philosopher…
NIKOS KAZANTZAKIS ( influenced by Nietzsche and Homer..)
Yes, i know what happened to him… Kicked out by the greek “church”, suffered,
humiliated…I wouldnt dare to “compare” to Nikos’s little toe..
but i know exactly what you’re saying… and also yes… Democracy is finding the “right” person to blame…

… and also yes.. the 99.9% of the Burn-ians do not write… but what an egotistical thought would be
if i let someone convince me that they dont write because of me..! me??? yeah right!!!

and yes AUDREY is very smart to see that this is the “season for Witch-Hunting”…at least for some..
which is literally 2 people (one person that also uses a Troll name but also reappeared today as himself to support himself!! how obvious… the same person that our disagreements started early last year…:()
I mean, the regulars here know what im talking about…

.. and JARED…thanks,
how hard is for those two people to scroll down and skip a comment or two???
I dont have time to read all comments either… nobody does… but how funny though..
that particular person cannot skip my comments…

am i offensive to some?… Of course i am…
Am i right in my “philosophical” rants at all times? Of course not…
Do i represent DAH’s mind , words or philosophy? Of course not…
Did i wish sometimes to hit the “edit” button? Of course yes…
Are all my jokes “successful”? Of course not…

There people i respect more than others… Yesterday for example i had a very brief conversation
( behind the scenes ) with BEN ROBERTS… the guy is brilliant… he “read” my character … he understands.. He is passionate but he gets it.. Are we gonna be best friends? Who cares..
That is not the point…We will keep disagreeing..its fine…its part of the real game called “life”…
I had a clash in the past with great friend now DAVID BOWIE..sorry BOWEN…:)
He knows me now… as i see his endless love for his family…

HAIK… has endless sense of humor and the most sensitive heart… when we first met in Venice at the DAH workshop he was fearless and honest.. he told me:..”i dont always like what you write..”… but he is probably my best friend now.. and he knows that i dont write to be liked…:)))

JARED, again you are right…
now that im “voted off the island” you know why… Enthusiasm to the ultimate degree….

MIKE R..
tried hard to explain over and over to the “chinese authorities” that
they should let “BURN” fly free again over china..:))))
and he succeeded… BURN is free again over the chinese airwaves and microwaves…
but Mike is unable to convince that guy.. with the two or three occasional troll names…

IAN….
thank you for understanding… I totally see you are trying to protect me and i dig the example
you offered with that photog… Thank you for recognizing my work.. and i do hear what you are saying…

Anyway … the reason i started this comment is to make clear to everybody…
“my opinions are totally mine… I do not represent DAH or YOUNG TOM or CHRIS B or ANDREW B.. or MIKE C,
or ANTON or the wild animals in the Serenghetti…Its just me being me…”
If you dont like it simply SCROLL…

and ABELE…i dont know you personally but i would love to…
and thanks for your EURO CENTS.. we need it over here..
:))))))))))

Ian..
;-)

ERICA …

thanks for responding. It is apparently still awaiting moderation. I’ll check again tomorrow. It got late on this part of the planet …
Really curious though – thank you so much for taking your time! :)

Good night,
Lassal

KATHLEEN
*kiss*

GRACIE
*kiss*

CIVILIAN
*kiss*

Leaving early for Bakersfield for the weekend!
You know me:)
I won’t let u outside my travels..
It feels good here at the CIVILIAN’s house..
:))))
More mañana
Wink;)

Space Cowboy

Hey, nice to meetcha! I hear a lot about you from Gracie, the brainy blond goddess..and Civilian who’s always braggin’ on you too..anyway, after reading the recent discourse under the Daria photo, the hair went up on the back of my neck till i saw this:

“Brawls… i’ve seen a fair few as you might well imagine, white flags too, but boys will be boys,
sawdust and spit, but heck lets forget ’bout all that,”

and i thought, this Vaquero has it all right alright..just had to tell you, yep, it’s all about perspective and knowing when to buy a round for the house and everyone in it. So here’s a round to all of you, bottles, mugs, jars; creamy ale spilling over the side, served up just right to each and every one of you rounders, rumblers and rioters..peace on earth boys, drink up!

Take care and goodnight :)

kathleen

gracie gracie graceie

your words like butterflies floating around me making me grin.

thank you

a

kathleen…gracie…..

a half-full bottle of red and no company in the cold sterile hostel….words keep us floating….

what does it all mean? come read bobs dictation from earlier, in the latest dialogue thread….or shall we stay here and talk away the night like children telling scary stories to each other to keep the darkness at bay….

hmm…i am of a mood, it appears…odd.

gracie….imagination of bobbing golden curls laughing and diverting…more grins

don’t cover your eyes with your hair – touch your soul and ours with your photographs!!!

it is the butterfly words indeed that made me grin…and bb’s hiccups were lost in the acoustic ringtones of us all…

white pills…hmm, an idea…but what of the morn?

andrew,

you must have had a lot of fun… to miss and feel lonely walking the night among weeds of thoughts of friendship, laughs, similar passions born a few hours old… i am shamelessly jealous…

funny (might not be so) how much his precious time spent spitting nicely to douse a spring fire when beyond a few feet away such weeds (or so you think) of thoughts of nice things flourish from projects like this, on dark nights like this, across dark and cold seas, beyond land, beyond me

katie-missie, UOY EVOL I… what language is that? universal?
i do too.

night duty over… zzzz
smiles… butterflies… you… all… me… zzzz

Gracie

lovely post..you say it like no one else can..you’re like champagne fizz indeed…sweet dreams luscious poetess :)
zzzzzzzz
katie

IT’s our party and we love it
It’s our BURNing and we are rolling!!!!

MY GRACIE
you are bubble -cious, oh! so luscious:))
KATIE
you are shamelessly genius, my gosh so precious:))
ANDREW B
you became judicious!
SPACECOWBOY
looking so adventurous!
PANOS
ai,ai ai, contumacious!
HAIK
yes, you are auspicious!
J. GLADDY
mighty propitious!
JARED
feeling capricious!

dearest Plato,
Katie wrote that we can bring ouzo, so here you have it…
Let’s blame Katie today

BURN is SO salacious and I feel lascivious but I am so mendacious!!!
LET’S STAY AWAY FROM NOXIOUS!!!

I WANT TO KISS YOU ALL…AND I WILL DO THAT ONE DAY…yes!!!!!!!!!

Lassal are u a LADY philosopher ??
Please don’t drink aspirines, I got you ouzo

darlingest dunno

ouzo-to-you-too

hey, Civilperson, did you ever hear Johnny Winter cover Dylan’s Highway 61? hotdamnman!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8siLZ4zNbY&feature=related

(pppssssft…the only thing i’m a genius at is sticking the proverbial foot in the proverbial mouth, heh)

night for day:

katie 4 u

ZZZZZZZ NOW

Because “Your babies” need some “green” …You know what I mean!!!Western union again??

I work with Red Cross…Too much pain one soul can bare!!
If I see your “baby” I will give her spanakopita:)))

that’s why I feel that we have to celebrate every minute , every second that we are “HERE AND THERE”

EVERYONE CELEBRATE !!!
KAT- Scan-zzzing

HERVE

can you translate The above about asbestos…?

Or do you speak French?
By the way : You are so right ( post Daria’s)
When is your book coming out?

PLATO,

It’s your PARTY and you can go!!
It’s your shore and you can flow!!
Kisses to your family and to your girlfriend and to your bald head that gives us so much HAPPINESS

MAY the good WINDS be with You…

“Lassal are u a LADY philosopher ??”

CIVILIAN

Opinions as to my gender (and age for that matter) for some reason seem to differ wildly.

As to if I am a philosopher … I do not think so. Using wrong side of the brain to think about abstract ideas for too long …

But then again, do not forget what DAH wrote to me a while ago: that the way I say that I am and the way that I actually am seem to be two different things …

:o) guess it does not really matter after all :o)
My personal philosophy: only what you actually DO counts. Everything else is unimportant.

Cheers,
Lassal

What should I find under times&timing?

Civi,

Yaahhoooooooo weeeeeeee!

what a welcome home!

apologies for the delay…
ya see, out here time is elastic,
one hour earth time is but a moment for me…

matter of fact i’ve been out on a space walk
for about 20 minutes, that’s all,
(practical rather than celebratory)
fixing a loose screw on ma canopy

anywayz, i’m back with ya now,

Serendipity, serendipity…

happy as a lamb in May that you picked up on ma vibrations
tip ma hat off to ya, credit where credit’s due

it’s a beautiful thing, to send out salutations to all the EPF dudes & ladies,
fine as creamy gravy.
If truth be told, i still hanker for the black and white version,
1963, Johnny looking all fresh and fired up!
Hell yeah!!!

but i’m all a yakking here and I got this space booty for ya.

well, it’s also for all them there philosophers,
I reckon they might have an interest in this one too…

Long, long time ago, heck before i’d even been into orbit,
no tell a lie, i’d already had that privilege,
anywayz,
i received as gift, my first photography book.
well it was ma second, but no need to split hairs here…

A certain Madame Yevonde. Let me tell ya, she was a pioneer
of photography back in them there 1930’s…
so, yes, she was a pioneer, working with color, Vivex they called it.
She was all kooky an experimental…

Anyhow, she did a project around 1935 based on Greek Goddesses no less!
Ya see Civi this is for you, you, you.

Heck if i could reach out an ruffle ya hair all friendly like and
give you a god ol slap on the back, well heck, that’s what i’d do right
now. Maybe you could do it for me, feel the sensation…

so, she made a whole series ‘Goddesses and Others’ and if only i had that
book to hand, but NASA are mighty touchy ’bout personal baggage on board an all…

anywayz, I found a few here examples,

so, introducing MADAME YEVONDE – THE GREEK GODDESSES…

Lady Bridgett Elizabeth Felicia Henrietta Augusta Poulett (now, ain’t that a mouthfull) as ‘Arethusa’

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/largerimage.php?search=sa&sText=yevonde&page=6&LinkID=mp06547&role=art&rNo=55

Gertrude Lawrence as Thalia the Muse of Comedy

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/largerimage.php?search=sa&sText=yevonde&page=1&LinkID=mp06547&role=art&rNo=3

Mrs Richard Hart-Davis as ‘Ariel’

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/largerimage.php?search=sa&sText=yevonde&page=6&LinkID=mp06547&role=art&rNo=50

and a self-portrait, Madame Yevonde herself (talk ’bout old skoooool)

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/largerimage.php?search=sa&sText=yevonde&page=1&LinkID=mp06547&role=art&rNo=6

YEEEE HAAAAWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A CIVILIAN-MASS AUDIENCE

I owe you an apology. I now see that you and your postings are a gift to this community. You are creating an oasis of peace in the midst of what can sometimes feel like a war zone here on Burn. Thank you for YOU.

peac
Patricia

Patricia…

Would love to talk to you…this is my email address, whenever you have time, send me a note…and I’ll be there :)

bodobose@gmail.com

Dearest LASSAL you are such a dunno!!

I would like to know if it is possible, if it is not going to be such a hassle ,my dearest Lassal,
ARE YOU A FREAKING LADY???? That’s all I am asking !!!
Times and Timing: I have a huge posting .109 names (BURNIANS) next to your names is the greek philosophers
name, according to your PSYCHO profil (laughing). I did the profil, one dyslexic civilian, non photographer
(SO much laughing)…LIKE a Greek ancient comedy…(kisses)If u have time I need an aspirin too!

Now to the MOTHER OF ALL,
To my DEAREST OF ALL,
TO MRS. PATRICIA LAY-DORSEY

“I want to be very close to someone I respect and admire and have somebody who feels the same way about me.”
Richard Bach

AS I wrote before you are my inspiration and my strength. It’s my honor . THANK YOU
Your website by the way is marvelous!!! May I suggest a baby cup of ouzo?
Don’t worry!OUZO on Panos and Katie ,please:))

Guess I’ve never been a “FREAKING LADY” …
Sorry.

Lasalle is a very rare male first name and a very popular surname (source: 1990 U.S. Census).

like Abele is a very rare male first name and a popular surname (source: 1990 U.S. Census)

like Audrey (\a(u)-drey, aud-rey\) is a feminine and masculine given name of Old English origin meaning “noble strength”

E.T.C, E.T.C
LOVE U all

Somone did repost the link to our selfportraits lately somewhere here if I well remember …
Just a hint.

Mike R,

This happens to me sometimes, I guess it’s the ouzo.

OK !!! I buy TWO Rounds tonight, one for me and one for PAPA JIM.
TO JIM ( Mikes R’s DADDY) VIVA GEIA MAS !!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Civilian, I’m sure that Jim would appreciate it. Remind me to tell you of when the man in the lower-floor apartment “died”.

Mike.

Patricia..
Special thanks and kiss for your
“acceptance”..
You teach me a lot..
See u soonest up in Look3….
Reunion!!!!

Civilian…
Mike R…
Is the greatest man around..
Period!:))))

ANDREW B! :))))

quick note, because I AM SO WOBBLY TODAY ;)))….limber of hair, stubborn of skull, wine-bottled pooped ;))….but god damn, it was SUCH A PLEASURE to talk and drink with you….but i guess it really became my bottle instead of OUR bottle ;)))))…..but, cant wait until u return to meet the 2 better photographers/thinkers/cool people ;)))))

yes, i remember all the hugs…i guess yes, u can reveal to Burn the REAL Bob Black ;)))>..

hugs

ALL:

what a great pleasure to meet Andrew last night….and even though they (he and Berube) got me to ‘write’ a drunken post last night (about photographs, songs and hairs, which i think is BURRIED deep in burn…I WONT tell u where it is ;)) )….after helping Berube edit for his upcoming exhibition (yes, David, i edited 60 plus pics into 10….so, i can do a short edit ;))) )….we went to a waterspot….

ok, no poetry today, im exhausted….but just sending love and wibes to andrew, mike, david, SPACE COWBOY, CIVILIAN, Panos, Herve and all the rest of Y’ALL….

soon, you’ll get a bob black text…but that is a surprise for later ;)))

so, MUSIC:

for ANDREW, PANOS, DAVID, COWBOY, CIVILIAN AND BERUBE…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xMvw9lCOBw&feature=related

HUGS
B

MADAME YEVONDE – THE GREEK GODDESSES…

Gertrude Lawrence as Thalia the Muse of Comedy

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/largerimage.php?search=sa&sText=yevonde&page=1&LinkID=mp06547&role=art&rNo=3

Madame Yevonde
by Madame Yevonde

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/largerimage.php?search=sa&sText=yevonde&page=1&LinkID=mp06547&role=art&rNo=6

and the song i listened to when i ever edit something…who knows why….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yjurf5d6X0&feature=related

bb

for BOB & MARINA…
and my Freida…:))))))))

BOBBY BOY BOBBY…

i’ve been known to forget what planet i’m on before!
but don’t be tellin Houston ; )

SPACE LAG… Heck Bobby, Space Lag…

Auspicious FULL MOON is a comin…

Bobby, i picked up this transmission and saved it for ya’ll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LcbuPOJPhI

Yeeee haaaawwww!

Yeeee F*ing haaaawwww!

ALL

THAT”S FROM THE SPACECOWBOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRlj5vjp3Ko

Thank you spacecb welcome back

CIVILIAN

Thank you for the positive push!

Ok. Now you really made me feel bad. You obviously did not look for or see or find the selfportraits.
I was in a foul mood yesterday and always when that happens I get nitty-gritty literal. So I was saying that I am no “FUCKING LADY” … Get it? Yeah, I am a female photographer all right. And Hunter is my dog. Have to get this straight now. It was not really my intend to misguide you – I was just fooling around.

DAH took me for an old German guy for quite some time, and it became some sort of running joke. But as I mentioned, I do not really care. In fact I find it very amusing. :o)

I think I would only mind if people still thought I was an old German guy AFTER meeting me in person. I guess THAT really would get me thinking.

Ok. Enjoy easter and thanks for the positive vibrations.
Great day outside … I’m gone for now

L

BURNIANS , BURNIANS

LASSAL is una mamachita Fantastika!!!! Check her out.
Girl you are cool, not like daria but you have it.:)))) please ,please a joke…I hope.

LASSAL, you are a goddess !!! Serious! But, you should feel bad cause now I will have to change your role since you are a girlie.
Audrey , u are my sister.

THANK YOU DAVIDB for the POSTING, THANK YOU DUDE!!

And I have to SAY IT LOUD, very very loud

BURN HAS THE SEXIEST CHICKS AROUND. I will drink to the BURN LADIES today!!!
And wait till you see the 99% civilians !!!! VIVA to the LADIES.

Running , more keys for the Italians.
KALA tsourekia to all of you!!!!

What About that BEN?
BURN ladies are HOT,HOT,HOT :)))
Love u Ben, I saw your face too, Freaking HOT, HOT, HOT …

Sorry but as SpaceCowBoy wrote:

“happy as a lamb in May that ya picked up the vibrations,
tip ma hat to ya, credit where credit’s due”

OUPS !! Blame the ouzo,the Italians, spring,
You ALL looking BEAUTIFUL tonight

REALLY running

Mike R

maybe you should call the office in London and see if by chance they have a copy they can sell you…

Civilian

————:)

TNT

MIKE R

I did have the same issue with this DVD. Erica is giving the right advise, I too called the Magnum Office in NY and it was no problem at all. Just complicated. I do not quite remember how much I ended up paying, something around 6 EUR I think it was. Via PayPal. It was the reason for finally registering there :o)

I have not yet bought the book from Jonas Bendiksen “The Places we Live” for exactly the same reason: Every time I remember I want to order it, it’s either Christmas, New Year, Weekend or Easter (right now) and the NY office is closed …

I just imagine how many more books/DVDs etc. they would sell if they got the shipment to Europe (+?) right … hmmm …

ERICA
your comment (about Kratochvil) apparently is still avaiting moderation. I wonder what you wrote in there :-))

Happy Easter to all off you!

Off for a joint family egg search …
L

K.Lee
:)))))))
yes , thank you..

Katharina,
Audrey, Haik,……. sorry i fell asleep…
Check emails……
Lets do this and lets involve more Burn-ed souls…
:))))))))

by the way, i meant to post this last week after all the madness of arguments…so, rather than rules, I think we need to create an Arugment rule….A la Python ;)))))

this IS BURN ;)))))))))))….i recognize myself ;)))))

Bob b

sorry for the delay repliedf to your post about our visit – I have not seen it until now! Perhaps it was in the bob black holding area when I last read here….

If I wasn’t ablet o make clear in my ramblings before, The Evening with Mike B and bb was great fun. No bob, it wasn’t all *your* bottle, I recall a couple times looking over to see you filling my glass to the brim – literally – whilest we filled our minds and souls with good vibrations.

and the post was brilliant, the challenges it faced was the iphones “smart” dictionary that didn’t want to let us say things the way they were typed (similar to my later postings….I will claim that the problem was technicality, not capability)…

anyway…grand time, I have yet to look at the pictures in my camera, but will post some somewhere if they are suitable…

now back to a rainy grey day in the bluegrass…

good light all,
a

AndrewB..
Homer said he drunk your wine..
sorry!
:)

or Philly?

my dearest katie-baby,

whenever i hear your words… about anything: praise, thrills, even that irate…
i feel like…

a pink piglet rolling in heavenly pigly mud
a giggly newlywed in 2000 count egyptian cotton covers
toddler whirling in an unfurling tire swing
a grandma kissing a newborn’s toes

you give me such such joy with your splendid piecings of old words.
you can never know.
thank you.

er…carinoso..eeps..should prolly stick to ingles

sweet heart dreams, hearty dreams dreamt sweetly and sweet dreamy hearts

chica linda

kat~
xoxox

Civilian

hahahahahaha…yer so cute, my lil Dunno…

Yes, it’s your party, yes, yes, we’re spring cleaning at Easter time, prying open those shutters, pushing back the cobwebs, letting the rains soak our faces, arms outstretched, drops dripping down palms onto wrists forearms tickling underarms, licking up the drops, laughterlaughlaughing…

yes, it’s springtime, redemtpion, renewal, renovation, roll over Beethoven, it’s Civilian’s party and he is soooo happy.

g’night g’night light the light i’m comin’ home

kat~

By the way,
MR. MIKE R,

beautiful IDEA about the unedited essay PROJECT… It will be a Hell…In HEAVEN !!!

LOVE U ALL

Kathleen…

How uncourteous of me.
Darn space-lag, still gives me the jitters…
I clean missed your note.
It always takes longer than i give consideration, to adjust
back to sweet little earths orbit, rotational pull and other factors…

So, Howdee,

pleased to make your acquaintance ; )

have a Sarsaparilla on me!

Yeeee haaaawwww!

BEAUTY KATIE

Don’t ZZZ yet!!

Look who is here !! SPACEcowboy

writes to you

Come on Baby Katie

He talks weird, about saparilla , tequilla,mamachita…No clue

Civi,

Howdee!

thought i was all alone tonight…

made from a root, Mexican i believe,
medicinal purposes… with carbonated sweet water,
mighty refreshing…

MIGHTY REFRESHING!!!!

Yeeee haaaawwwww!

Darn it Civi

any ‘ol critter can talk ’bout the moon and the stars,

Yeeee haaaawwwww! ehhh!
throats feeling a little sore – might have to fix ma-self
a bowl…..

Gracie!

thought you’d be all a sleepin…

even space cowboys get the blues! ; )))

before you get yo-self back to sweet slumber
got a lil o tune for ya!
nothing rawkus mind you, saving that for
another occasion

don’t know if your anywhere near Virginia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOXYWEB7LgA

YEEEE HAAAAWWWW! now that feels better!!!!!!!!!!!

David…

I had been shooting all day and just came back and saw your message. I am online on skype now.

DAH,

So, David, am I correct in thinking you won’t be coming to Seattle at all in the next few weeks?

also – been building a new website and editing.. scanning.. doing the do.. loud music on..

summer is shaped up ..
d

DAH …
enjoy the day … !!! Hope it is as amazing there as it is here.

And please do the other edit’s first. I am a little stuck right now for meaning as well as for the postcard project. My contact person for meaning is on a 3 week holiday and I have to await her return. Later, when everybody at that place know me, it will be possible for me to proceed without her. At the moment the whole connection is still fragile and I should not force it.

I have the next meeting for the postcard project next week.
Using the time to translate the texts and prepare for the soldier’s variant – yeah, I am on it! :))

So under the circumstances I guess we’d be through an edit quite fast. I did a final edit from my work so far already and would be very curious if you’d come to the same results as I did.

As soon as you know when you’ll have time tomorrow or … , just write me a short email so I’ll be home. Guess that would be easiest. It is paradise outside and I have this little dog with big bright children’s eyes whom I just cannot deny this beautiful springdays :)

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Best,
Lassal

@ DAH and ALL
Just reading as I take a break from some much-needed yard work….and as I listen and think how helpful it would be to be a “fly on the wall” and watch an edit in progress, to get into the mind and spirit as it happens…a thought occurs to me…

You’ve been using skype to chat as you edit…and you got a significant amount done in 20 minutes….would it be possible to put up in an area the original “starting point” of the edit, and then the transcript of the chat (skype allows you to capture and save what is typed in chat)…

This is, of course, if you are using the “chat” function of skype and not voice…obviously for voice, it wouldn’t work….

Anyway…just wanted to throw that out.

@Gracie
Yes…remnants of the poetic influence brought by luminated company and later fizzy-champagne words remained even for me yesterday after my daily toils…was editing and listening and feeling all goodwill..

happy feelings bursting forth like the flowers in my yard simply from being noted and included…words can be music, and music can be soul….a sticky note for you, stuck to the mirror up by the white bottle and kat’s wad o’gum…

…sdrow yenoh rouy htiw em dehcuot ev’uoy

beuatiful light to you and to all…
a.

When Times and timing is right we will meet (pretty soon)

When I am talking about your house in Greece and keys I mean it, I really DO.

I talk the talk but I walk the walk.

SEE, I am not a philosopher I am a REAL CIVILIAN…

and I walk the line too…
LOVE YOU TOM YOUNG… Not for Greece… I love you for your SPIRIT.

YOUR key is ready !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIkzQYns61Q&feature=related

Sarah Palin’s new video…!!!!!

DAH, ” i work on so hard with photographers…and i love doing it…surely, it is the MOST valuable of experiences…”

I know that editing is a skill that most up-and-coming photographers will struggle with, simply because they have no experience of the procedure in “real world” situations. Many Photographers (capital “P”) find themselves isolated from like-minded souls who see them as something other than eccentric. Away from the city, it can be lonely.

Thank you so much for your offer for a DAH editing experience. I’m up for it, although; due to my (slight) speech impediment / stutter I do find it difficult to initiate essays. I do seem to have my finger on the pulse of what’s current as what I consider a good candidate for an essay I consider relevant invariably turns up in magazines / newspapers some time later. I do have an essay, about ten years in the making and produced solely because I could just visit, and walk away. It is old work (ten years in the making) and, unless you can think of an outlet for it, I would rather that you use your time to mentor a younger version of myself. The vast majority of my comments here are meant to be of use to new blood.

I would advise any new blood to look at the book “Things As They Are”, photojournalism; not always easy to view, but of great value in that it shows major essays as they originally appeared in magazines and newspapers. Most educational. What I would like to see here at Burn is not-so-much the published pages but more the cutting room floor, and WHY. Not-so-much for myself but for the young whipersnappers.

My essay is at:
http/homepage.mac.com/mrawcliffe/blackpool

My latest work is viewable by clicking on Mike R at the beginning of this post.

With regard to editing; I remember you saying, David, that any nominee to Magnum would have their portfolio scrutinized but; more, their contact sheets.

I’m up for showing contact sheets and selects. I’m sure that others will be similarly forthcoming.

Best wishes,

Mike. (U.K.)

ERIC
thanks! Yeah, I got it. Will write tomorrow …

ERICA
very interesting description. Thank you!
I’ll be in Transilvania in May on a workshop with Antonin Kratochvil … That’s why I am trying to find out as much as possible right now. Your report really helped to fill in a little. Sorry if I urged you todo it even if you were not feeling like a reporter at the moment … I think we all know how good your descriptions are after the last loft workshop report you have done … So I would always ask you first :o)
Thanks again.

Easter-cheers,
Lassal

Hi everyone.

Just a thought about editing. How many people print out a contact sheet of their digital images? I normally edit on the screen, but got to thinking about the parallel when editing words.

When you write an article you always do your first few edits on screen until you think you’ve got it right. Then you print it out and edit it. It always amazes me how many changes (for the better) you make to the on screen edited version from the print-out.

Is it a right brain, left brain thing? From now on I may try doing this with images. Sort out the dross onscreen, and then print a contact sheet of the remainder, just like the film days.

I know David has said before that editing with actual prints is the best way to do a final edit, so maybe it is a similar principle?

Also, as an aside; I’d be interested in hearing what people are using to record their interviews/sounds etc in the field. I still use a tape for interviews, but would love to hear what digital recorders you are using for field work.

I was thinking that it would be a compromise between size, recording quality and reliability. I am planning some interviews where I need better quality, and easier archiving that digital should provide (multiple back up copies etc). Also I would like the sound quality to be good as some will be historical documents.

Thank you.

DAH,

I definitely understand. I will check in the morning. I look forward to talking with you.

Cheers,
Jonathan

Haik —

At glendale hilton. Room 823. Help. ;)

Jared
fo real?

Forgive me if not appropriate here but:
As you know a place near Rome, a mediaval town, has been totally destroied.
There are place like Scanno that was drawn by i.e. Giacomelli or Cartier Bresson that are lukily not destroyed in the ancient place. Strange but in some place the destruction was for the new building..
But in L’Aqila, that doesn’t exhist anymore, as we use to know, there was the Rearview Mirror editorial office.
Something not so far from Burn.
Now they think about dedicating the number 1 to the earthquake so our friends ask if there are photographers that have been in Abruzzo in these days and can give them one or two picture can contact them in FB http://www.facebook.com/inbox/readmessage.php?t=1102960247320#/group.php?gid=21313177825
or to http://www.rearviewmirror.it/

Talking about on line edit of course I think that the editing work is the most useful or constructive activity. I remember how was useful to asist to the Audrey or Charlie one made by our DAH in Perpignan.
I agree that is …”the MOST valuable of experiences” and not only for the person concerned. On line it’s a little bit hard to figure but it should be also possible.

CIVILIAN thanks! Here in Rome everything is OK! We are just trying to help a little little bit some friends and collegues of us living (or that use to live) there.

Grazie per l’energia!!

Civilain

I’m going, i’m going..just checking one little time here and out the door..hehe..have great day in the land of feta cheese, olives and mousakka!

kat~

TO ALL,

Today I will drink whatever KATHLEEN FONSECA and SIDNEY ATKINS have??

THE menu has:

Grilled Photographers with green peppers, oregano,and garlic
Roasted Civilians with grape leaves, tzatziki, and wheat breat !!!
Joking … I hope…

LOVE U ALL

Civilian

my lord, you make me want to be a cannibal! heh!

“I spend most of my time not dying.
That’s what living is for”–frederick Seidel

and as for Cannibals, ok here, here are 2 of my heros…

LOUD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvBJMWxbfCk

BB

corrobration..grr…meant collaboration..obviously

dinner with friends on the menu???

What do you do to non-friends!!!!

And in this one, one of my favorite lines, *ever*….

“hey Jack, now for the tricky part…
when you were the brightest star, who were the shadows?”

Sigh, the .pdf link didn’t work ;=(

Dear Laura, I’d be happy to forward your email to DAH. I’ve been holding you and all the people of Italy in my heart. Such a tragedy…

hugs
Patricia

Eric, Cathy…

Thanks for reading. I thought it would be helpful to many if they can follow the process from the beginning. I shall surely report from time to time on this as and when there is something interesting happening.

Best Regards,

bodo

mr subhrajit basu…said:

” …He suggested that instead of just shooting the subject straight up and capturing the “drama” that was right in front of me, to try being a little less self conscious of “good pictures” per se and to add an element of what it really “feels like” to be there…”

…… less self conscious……….of “good” pictures per se……..

its so funny and unfair Subhrajit…!!!!!!???????????

when i told you the exact same thing..( and also Kathleen.. if my stupid memory serves me well…)
you reacted..! you hated me for that…!!!????????//
i only seen that one posted postcard like, severely boring fish net, photo of yours published here by the way,,… that nat geo like… perfect good looking soul-less shot..and that was enough for you to be my sworn enemy .. and now…
you just confirm my words…
just because David agreed….!!!!!!!?

…….and u also said:”…….”and to add an element of what it really “feels like” to be there…”……

what did i say ????????
same thing ….right??????????

stop obsessing with “perfection” and mirror yourself..right?
put some “soul” in your photos”… right???
i see no difference from David’s suggestions.. do you?
I know u “voted me off the island”… but think about it for a moment…think……….
what did i say except from what u just admitted above?

Put some soul in it , stop being so self conscious and stop being so picture perfect…………
thats all..
big hug!

…….. all u need to do is dig deep and discover your innocence…… your “LOOSENESS”…..
All that……..
and thanks for sharing your DAH editing experience……..
:) and i hope you wont keep on hating me for just being honest….
:)
peace out
( and….dont hate… we have enough trolls for that….)

SHAME
SHAME
SMAME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PJBZzwLj-0

you know what im talking’bout..right?
“shame” is the shadow of love… and you??????
You aint got no love..

……. and CIVILIAN…
YES..
MR. GOETHE..
is ( as always ) right on the money……….
say good morning to “mama” greece and tell “her” not to worry about
the little greek “midgets” that trying to revive the civil war…
it aint gonna happen.. no matter how hard they try……….
we are programmed not to “harm” them..
( plus we already promised them peace and offered them olive trees and white flags..:)
no no no…
laughing…
disappearing into the sheets…
sleeping…

Dearest Protagora,

I am afraid that after your postings many would love to see you disappearing into the space:)))))
indefinitely !!!

Well, let’s get back to the usual Programming :

Dearest BURN magazine,

What is for the menu today? Easter Eggs??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0gSJGJ7Fs

LOVE U ALL

ONE LAST thing,

YES ,WE GREEKS TALK A LOT , IT”S IN OUR BLOOD .
and we move a lot, and we fart a lot, and we drink a lot, and we dance a lot, and we ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

BUT WE love you ALL.

ENOUGH .

VIVA BURN
VIVA PHOTOGRAFIA
VIVA LIFE

Is anybody going to Rencontres this year? It has a ridiculously amazing programme…
http://www.rencontres-arles.com/

Antoine d’Agata, Boris Mikhailov, Nan Goldin, Paulo Nozolino, Anders Petersen… woh, man! :oD I have absolutely no money to spare this year, but I’m thinking about selling my soul to pop by. Any bidders?

Dearest MR. HARVEY,

MAGNETIC PAINT !!!!

Amazing, Incredible, c’est magnifique, Unbelievable , Unconventional idea, extravagantza,
καταπληκτικη ιδεα,驚かせること ,Überraschen,изумлять,stupore,el sorprender,惊奇.

THANK YOU

Magnetic Paint!!!!! I had no idea this existed. Solves a big current issue for me, brilliant. Damn brilliant. The possibilities!!! Thank you!

so, now we have not one but TWO Greeks hijacking burn with their verbal diarrhea! Both for the same low price! LOL!!!

now how statistically improbable is that? Out of the thousands of burn readers, all over the world?

Of course maybe they can’t help it, like civilian/Zorba says it’s “in their blood”! Too bad that this ideology of the blood has played such a large part in many a recent (look at the Balkans in the 90s) and more distant ethnic cleansing… And many more to come, surely… lol…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil

way to go! Burn is living more and more up to its title…

Thank god for someone like Young Tom… Showing us that Greece can mean something other than loud and uncontrollable self-congratulatory ramblings…

DEAREST Young Werther,

Today is a beautiful day for BURN.
TODAY, WE have ” ESCAPING HISTORY by Angela Bacon-Kidwell”.
We CELEBRATE today… Please,today, we have traveling dreams in our screens !!!!
YOU wrote:
“way to go! Burn is living more and more up to its title…
Thank god for someone like Young Tom… Showing us that Greece can mean something other than loud and uncontrollable self-congratulatory ramblings…” We thank MR. YOUNG !

AND I have to THANK you personally for your critique .I don’t know about the other Greeks but you are so right…I should be carefull with my ” verbal diarrhea!”

NOW,If you are a photographer,go out and make dreams come true, I am waiting for your book !!
If you are civilian, there is nothing you can do :))))))))))
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
US (Spanish-born) philosopher (1863 – 1952)

WE LOVE YOU MUCH, MR. WERTHER !!!

P.S You sound like a very “young ” soul but BURN IS THE PLACE TO BE !! Stick around, good energy.
Sorry for the diarrhea. I will do my best !!

young werther,

i dont think civilian has crossed any one or any lines.
if not he has helped lighten up most moments here in BURN.
i hope you alluding to ethnic cleansing will not become a topic…
please leave civilian alone and go take pictures yess?

if constipation becomes a lifelong struggle,
diarrhea is welcome anyday. you should try it.

Dear Young Werther,

as someone who is also greek and who has recently been making a case in this forum for civilized discussion, I do not appreciate your hint(?) of ethnic stereotyping. Please don’t overgeneralize. It was your own comment that was incendiary. I am glad you at least enjoyed young tom’s greek photo.

Gracie,

where can one see your work?

(sorry to be posting this here)

but I loved your poem, and would hope you have images to share that are equally poetic!

patricia,
i see you are done with your exhibition, how was it?
i am sure now i will bother you soon.
glad youre more active here. youre a voice we also need.
even kat’s not afraid of you anymore.
why should she be even??

TO OUR PATRICIA = determination. THANK YOU…LooK 3:)
Dale Carnegie:
“Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all.”

TO MY GRACIE= ( BURN’S MUSE) but I think that you are closer to Leontion
oime, so many men , so little time:)))THANK YOU

Carl Sandburg (1878-1967) American poet
“Poetry is an echo, asking a shadow to dance.”

TO KATHLEEN-KATIE =truth)THANK YOU .Kiss my mom and our Baby:)
Miguel de Cervantes:
“Truth indeed rather alleviates than hurts, and will always bear up against falsehood, as oil does above water.”

TO THE ONE and only one ANTON,
Aristotle:
“We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.”

TO EVERYONE
We love you all. GOT TO ZZZZZZ

P.S good luck to MR.Carlan Tapp and Mr,Anton.

When we meet in person–as I’m sure we will–I think you’ll find that I’m just about the most non-threatening person on the planet, so I’m glad Kat isn’t afraid of me anymore ;=)

Thanks for asking about my Active Elders exhibit, dear Gracie. The opening was three days before I took off for New York and it was quite a celebration. My women’s singing group performed. Well, it was really more like a sing-along because we gave everyone a song booklet so they could join in…which they did, with gusto! Many of the elders that I’d photographed were there, as well as people from many chapters of my life here in Detroit. I’m giving a gallery talk on April 24 and the show stays up until May 8. If you’re interested, you can see a tight edit of the Active Elders portfolio on my website (click on my name above).

Yes, Gracie, please email me if I can be of any help companioning you on your photographic journey. I’m no expert but I certainly know what it’s like to start from scratch. Three years ago at this time I didn’t know an f/stop from an ISO…

Patricia

dimitri,

as civilian said, oime so many men, so little time… hahahah hehehehe
so listen, psssfftt…

yknow when i am quiet mostly, but even at work, thoughts or words float in my head.
i grab a fluffy pen and start writing. haha — you should see what my notebook looks like
when i am in the car driving on the freeway… it looks like greek alphabet.
i write about anything, whatever comes to mind and what is pressing and usually i am done by 2 minutes.
i hardly go back and clean it up, and i will someday, but the raw writings make me think
even more…

what should i do when i want to take pictures… should i just not think about
rules of thirds and how i should break them, right lens to use, overexposure, underexposure
maybe i think too much when i photograph?

Dearest Dimitri,ouzo on me BUT

Regarding your greek comment:
I am so sorry that you feel this way. But there is no way to accept your suggestion. I was raised to
” To be free …!!!” like a chicken:)))

“Don’t walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don’t walk behind me, I may not lead; Walk beside me, and just be my friend.”
Albert Camus (1913-1960) French novelist, essayist and dramatist.

Now ,regarding my anonimity:

AS Bob Dylan stated before :
“But you just did what you’re supposed to do
Sooner or later one of us must know”

Trust me,My name will make no difference ,cause I am a REAL ,everyday CIVILIAN …making keys.
WE ARE CIVILIANS OF THE WORLD.

P.S DAVIDB ,finally, we were looking for you. Kiss B and Tor Capa.Want ouzo goes well with smoking?
LOVE YOU ALLLL

TO ALL,

Goethe:
“To think is easy. To act is hard. But the hardest thing in the world is to act in accordance with your thinking.”

KATIE the above quote is SO you !!You are my strength… I own you.
and My Gracie you are my muse…0))

Now ZZZZ and I have to step out for a while… But I will watching you and of course
I will be back…Yikes ,I know…:)))

LOVE TO ALL

Cheerios
like as DoAsHarvey

Is somebody knows how to put an image in double-page on Blurb ? Thanks !

this looks good.
http://www.100eyes.org/

great bob – that´s brilliant.. i just received a mailshot about it this morning from andy – first i have heard of it and i´m going to start commenting to see if others follow suit.

Civilian

And that Camus quote is so appropriate to your participation here. When i think about you, there´s always a certain delight in not knowing you in a more specific way. You have this nebulous form that is undefined and that means fewer sharp edges for me to merge my spirit with when i am in your space. Gone are the assumptions (and therefore limits) of age, gender, profession, relative artistic abilities, physical appearance, status. By remaining free to ¨be¨ you free all of us from all the generalizations and assumptions that would limit our relationship with you. We can neither contain you nor categorize you. You are ¨Everyman–Everyfriend¨ And while in your presence, for the briefest time, we are neither contained nor categorized. By accepting you ¨as is¨ we are accepted by you ¨as is¨. In your presence here, and while you aren´t here but we know you will return, we are protected from the judgements of others. We are under your magnanimous wing, we have come in out of the rain..we know we have to go back out in it but for a time we can just relax. You are good. As i said in another part of Burn, you bring the best out in everybody. i wonder how you do that?

Now, for me, back to my work and the deep well of sadness and pointlessness of my labors..but don´t say a word about that, it is what it is and someday i will be as free to just be as i feel when i am in Civilian space, place, time and frame of mind.

Best to you by dearest Civilized One:

katie

DAH – ahhh.. so sorry.. am back in like flynn now and will switch on the skype now..
dx

@DAH: I’ll let you know if I manage either Arles or London (I’ll remember the date). I have to make a calendar at some point, as that Tuesday I’m returning from Barcelona so I could make it, but I’m not sure if I’m hanging work here in Cardiff (I’m curating shows it seems), case in which I couldn’t! Takes me about three hours to magically appear in London Victoria, though, and could do it to return the day after.

This just in from SEAN..amazing!

I have recently been awarded a travel grant from the Pulitzer Center On Crisis Reporting, which is currently allowing me to continue and extend my previous work on desertification in China.

I shall be reporting for the Pulitzer Center on this subject for the next 5 weeks, having currently been working for one week in Inner Mongolia. The Pulitzer Center are hosting a blog for my 6-week trip across the width of China, with the first entry already entered. You can view it here:
http://pulitzercenter.typepad.com/untold_stories/2009/04/china-the-black-disaster.html

The main project page can be found here:
http://www.pulitzercenter.org/showproject.cfm?id=104

Please check back to the blog from time to time, as I shall be updating it with images and text each week. Also, please feel free to pass these links onto anyone who you think may be interested in my work and that of the Pulitzer Center.

Thanks and Best,
Sean

SEAN GALLAGHER – PHOTOGRAPHER
http://www.gallagher-photo.com

DAH..
great chat.. buzzing and motivated.. gonna lay on teh bed and cuddle my family..
will write up a report for ALL over the next day or so..

ANTON – good chatting.. more power to you and keep clicking.. moving and shaking..

SEAN..
great news.. just great.. keep on..

gone
david

I mean DAH (david) just sent u a message :))

late, running
b

BBLACK.
too late .. i want an email from you now..
me gusta
d

Gracie:

:)))

Thank you..
yeah, a ban on frizzy hair and work being called work..but for now, a rose by any other name is still a rose.

be back soon as i can see clear, Gracie..thanks for the always caring words..

kat

A hearty CONGRATULATIONS to you Patricia…! :)

Congratulations Chris Bickford for Look3 !!

best, audrey

Don’t worry, David, I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch, as my southern Mom used to say! But the Blurb book is coming along nicely. Worked on it all day yesterday. Before any “coffee table book” appears, we’ve got to get someone in the publishing industry interested in my project. And in this economy, that may prove to be a real challenge. But who knows? Stranger things have happened. And if it does, I’m ready to work as hard as it takes!

Now what’s this about Chris Bickford and Look3??? How did I miss this news? Someone, tell all…

Patricia

DAH

I can’t follow your schedule but if you think my burn piece would be bettered by putting your edit in to the mix and you have time, I of course welcome your input fully and gratefully, and we can talk whenever it works for you..I can also show you a piece I put together with audio, but you have the whole piece with all the images from the epf submission..or should I email it to you again along with the slideshow audio piece?

thanks thanks

Akaky:…..;)))))))…

how about why would anyone take pics if they can snap words together?…..

how about doing both…..like whiskey and wine, words and pics, meat out the head in different ways…at least for one…if i couldnt write, i’d give up picture taking…if i couldnt take pics, i’d give up writing….

although, professionally speaking, i get more frustrated with photography….cause with words, i can live in my head, and rattle away….but, it’s easier to take pics than it is to carve out a good sentence….

running
b

akaky,

can you take pictures of your humor?
AKAKY IRL i wonder what color or flavor that would be? hmmmm… SLURP!

bblack,
i wish i could do both really well, but that is a perfect world for me.
endlessly envious of people who could.
i write everyday… try to… very handy… even on freeway
but i cannot go out and take pictures all the time… i wish i could.
as it is, if perfection is achieved quite often, life would be soooo boring.

David.,
:))))))))))))))))))))))))
Yes, do not forget the sleeping bag..;)
I’m trying to fit a bed in there today..
Maybe u get the bed I get the floor..:)
Oh well.. Let’s flip a coin..!
Soonest..:)
( another moving day today )

ANNA…
sent u email:)))
Tiropites and Mousaka…:)))))

David,

net server downs and power cuts are ways of life in my city, we just live with them… :( the loss was all mine. i told you that i will be there tomorrow but now i fear that with the luck that i have, any of the above might just happen again. but if everything is well, i shall surely be there tomorrow.

bodo

DAH

I have sent you an email with the details..

thanks a bunch! wallpaper..who has wallpaper???