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Angelo Guarracino
Quizas Mañana
This is the first chapter of my long term project called “Maybe Tomorrow”.
The project aims to reflect upon the perception man has of his own future in relation to his life on Earth, but mostly in relation to the idea of a possible life after death.
In this manner, I’ve tried to find all the elements that create not only a visual continuity but mostly a conceptual continuity with very strong symbols and cultural references. I have, thus created a link with the theme of hope and the theme of doubt and fear, for the weight of life and death.
Walking through the streets of Oaxaca or its countryside, I felt a strange emotion in seeing the moments of daily life of “campesinos”, artisans, workers, old and young people. There was an incredible power, nearly like that of magic, to their faces. In spite of the heavy work, there was a serenity and a limpid hope in their eyes.
I immediately understood that that was what i really wanted to represent with my photography. I also understood that I did not want to give answers in a journalistic manner, but would alternatively try to create questions.
I simply wanted to catch that innate suffering every man has because of being human, one who lives with a conscience in his own existence on Earth. At the same time, by living this life with effort and sacrifice, he can hope for a new life, perhaps not today, “maybe tomorrow”, maybe after the death.
Angelo Guarracino
I’m not
understanding how
these images fit
together!!!
Rap on!!! Brother!!
:)))))))))))
peace & hugs :)))))))
ANGELO…
this is the real Panos and i totally “understand” how those images fit together…
obviously i live in denial believing that the trolls will stop the attack…
Anyway, Angelo this is panos skoulidas speaking… i will write more about your essay…
soonest… obviously i have been hacked…
i had it coming
;-)
O comments?……. I cannot believe because this work touched me immediately. I love the sense of mystery and sometimes spirituality that in present in every photograph. its beautiful and sensitive which I personally am drawn to.
Unless the above just “panos” is a real person… then please go ahead please & enlighten us,
and explain why Angelo’s photos dont “fit” together…!!!!????
I see tight, strong edit… maybe a little exaggerated black and whites… loved any kind of vignette ,
atmospheric, depressing…. ( kid on the tree / legs only )…
works fine for me…
…and to my “troll imitator” above
my face has a nose also, so it looks more like this, ;-), than that :)
peace( ok, i will leave the hugs for later )
same here Valery…
;-)
It’s a good idea and the concept is really clear. The fact that not everything is visible in the image is a smart solution since whatever is under shadows becomes a metaphore: something like an uncertain future, doubt… which is what the essay refers to anyway.
saludos!
Nicely curated, Mr. Harvey. You are really carving out a niche in the online world and thus in the analog world as well. You deserve it, you are an inspiration to live life as it should be lived.
I wonder if you ought not to post copyrighted music anymore. There have been one or two other comments here about that.
You’re honoring artists on your (not so) little blog; perhaps you might consider how a musician or composer would feel knowing that their work is being broadcast without their permission. Probably the same as most photographers here would seeing their images on a blog which is read worldwide…
Otherwise, man, this is a brilliant undertaking. How you pulled it together is amazing. Where most photographers spend months if not more wondering how to update their websites, you brought this together in a matter of days.
Angelo, your work / your website: so strong, so focused. How are you so young and so polished? Wow.
sincerely,
anon
Angelo:
Very nice work, I need to sit and watch it again later.
David:
Anon has a point about the music, I was going to mention it to you. I think this can be resolved by getting an ASCAP internet license for the site. http://www.ascap.com/weblicense/
Also who is putting together the slideshows? I have a question for them. Thanks!
Beautiful and serene work Angelo! I just watched it, and it’s 2:43 in the still of the night, here in Calcutta. Its probably best watched in such silence….The music reminded me of Motorcycle Diaries’ music – by Gustavo Santaolla,is that it? Great stuff! I don’t want to spoil it with words now. Take care…
Lovely, heart felt, moved me to tears, as the questions keep rolling in. Thank you, from the bottom of my stupid heart!
Would I edit it? Yes, a bit. I’d tighten it, leaving out images such as 12, 14, 15, 16 and 24.
ANGLEO:
some Octavio Paz….in English:
Between Going And Staying
Between going and staying the day wavers,
in love with its own transparency.
The circular afternoon is now a bay
where the world in stillness rocks.
All is visible and all elusive,
all is near and can’t be touched.
Paper, book, pencil, glass,
rest in the shade of their names.
Time throbbing in my temples repeats
the same unchanging syllable of blood.
The light turns the indifferent wall
into a ghostly theater of reflections.
I find myself in the middle of an eye,
watching myself in its blank stare.
The moment scatters. Motionless,
I stay and go: I am a pause.
–octavio Paz….
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS SONG, for in fact your essay is just that, a canción del alma de luz y sombra….not only to i love the brilliant way you use shadow and light (all the Park like capes of shadow that allow us just a glimpse of sight, that pinpoint a moment that chisels our heart), but i love the way in the end the story is a celebration, not of death, but of this wandering life…for life is nothing without death and death cannot feed upon anything if not for life, for life breathes life into death and death bequeaths life and regeneration…..
the work is very powerful, and what i love about the photographs are all the magical and magnificent small moments: the little boy crossing the square past the grandfather, as small as a speck of light (6), the child (unnoticed at first) in the background of #7, the 15 year old staring at us in 8, two legs, like flowers blooming from the desert of shadow in #9, the feet again from shadow in 15, the light in the cage in 16, the iconic and brilliant 17 (the old man dreaming of his long ago lost love in the time of cholera), the masked face in the background of 18, the lightbulb and the iguana in 19, the child’s vampire teeth stare in 20, the trent park-esque brilliance of 21, the 2 profiles (eyes and shadow) of 23, the brilliant image of the man running with the ladder in a sea of hills in 28 (iconic image!), ….but these are just the touches of the individual pictures, what really compells is the arc of the story and the seemless way the photographs speak not only about Mexico, but in truth about the entirety of our living and our dying….even the catholic iconography is richer than just jesus and crosses and nuns, but burn alters of light and living….
a breath of living, a gasp of light shifted as life…
a beautiful and magnificent story….
so happy to see this today :))))
all the best
bob
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Angelo – congratulations. Very sensual and tremendously strong.
David – sent you an email on blog comments.
Angelo, my favorite essay by far. And one of the best I’ve seen in a long time. Your cover shot (17) is *strong*. Great choice in the supporting music too. Just visited your personal site and damn your portfolio is also really strong. Thanks for publishing this freely online for everyone to experience.
Darrius
Lovely work Angelo.
A suggestion for the burn “staff”: Since we will be meeting many new photographers here (it seems) it might be nice to include a link to other work or a bio or something.
I did google Angelo and see he studied with David at a workshop in Mexico. Was this project something you started at that time Angelo? The “first chapter” concept is a good one…it will be nice to see more.
beautiful, beautiful…mesmerising, poetic…bravo Angelo.
Angelo,
I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed your work, I was sucked in from the word go! A real pleasure to view. Thank you, and keep it up!
David,
I also wonder about the use of copyrighted music, I know we spoke about this at your place. It makes me a little uncomfortable to be honest. (Heading west in a couple of days, so in the midst of packing right now, but will drop you a line once the dust has settled).
James
ANON….
thank you for your comment…of course, i respect the rights and copyrights of all artists…i am at the forefront of copyright protection in Magnum and for all artists…i do plan to double check with a copyright and music rights attorney again tomorrow…my understanding has always been regarding music or any copyrighted material that as long as nothing COMMERCIAL was involved in the playing of a song that there was no problem…we do not sell anything here, nor are there any advertisements, nor any subscription or anything…BURN loses money!!! photographers use recorded music all the time in their slide show presentations in auditoriums etc or for their speeches to students , which again is evidently worse than playing it non-commercially on the net..
i do know of course that at Magnum in Motion we need either music rights clearance or use original sound tracks..but at Magnum we are syndicated through Slate and receive advertising revenues…clearly Magnum needs music rights clearance…
by the way, my pictures are used for free all the time from the Magnum archive…anyone can go in and put on their refrigerator door, or make a slide show for their friends, or put on their blog any of my pictures or any Magnum photographer at any time…we know at Magnum that there is multiple free use of our photographs…this is no problem, or even if it was, we know that there is not much we can do about it…should someone however decide to make collectors prints, or use in a commercial magazine or in an advertising campaign , then that would be a different issue altogether….
having said all of this, i am not a lawyer…and i suppose to be on the safe side (i cannot afford to be in a lawsuit) we should refrain from using copyrighted music…as i said, i will meet with an attorney tomorrow just to be very very clear on this issue…thank you for bringing it up..
incidentally, i did not bring this together in a matter of days…in my two years of blogging i was able to mentor several photographers whose work you will soon see….Panos is a product of online mentoring and Angelo (21 yrs old) was in my workshop class in Oaxaca…you are viewing his class project…i have been teaching my whole career….shooting mostly, but teaching as well all along…
as any of my students will tell you ,BURN is really just an online manifestation of one of my classes….
maybe i did not make it quite clear enough in my home page intro, but 99% of the work which will be presented here is the work of my workshop or online students and for 99% their first attempt at an essay…the “work in progress” department here will soon be used for exactly that purpose..to show the work in progress of 5 selected photographers who i will mentor towards an essay or individualized body of work…
i look forward to your continued participation here …
cheers, david
PETE…
thanks for the license tip….i always do my student slide shows in collaboration with the student of course….Anton has been doing the tech work getting it on the new system, but is teaching me so he can go on vacation with his girlfriend….question???
i am counting on you for an essay on the Obama inauguration…you up for it???
cheers, david
STUPID…
I know you will not reveal yourself…fine by me….cool….i loved the Lone Ranger (mostly, he did good stuff) and Zorro and Batman when i was a kid , so keep the mystery going!!!…and i look at your site quite often…you have created an interesting place at the table…
my only questions are, and i think you can answer these without taking off your mask: have we ever met??? next question: will we ever meet?? last question: would i know your work or will we somehow have a chance to publish you here???
welcome…
hi ho Silver…away!!!!
cheers, david
David – you are damn funny! xoxox
CATHY….
i am the BURN staff!! at least from the editorial side and Anton has been the tech guru of all gurus and friend extraordinaire….bless you Anton bless you…i have been texting him from Colorado, he is in Brussels, so BURN has been , shall we say, not easy!!!!.Anton and i have been working 12 hours a day by remote control ever since we met in New York the first week in december…Mike and Marie will jump in soonest , and well, i think you saw all of my advisors at my place in New York…you are welcomed too at any time…
Angelo is a 21 year old student of mine from Milan…he is now set to exhibit in several galleries in Italy and beyond i am sure…what you see here is his class project he shot for my Day of the Dead workshop in Oaxaca, Mexico…you will see more students from that class soonest…
i do plan to do bios and editors notes on each photographer presented here….i launched BURN right before Christmas , which was probably the worst idea i have had in a long time (i had a reason at the time), since i immediately left to see my mother and family in Colorado and will be here until january 9…my mother does not have wifi, so i sit now in my sister’s kitchen writing you…what i am trying to say is that of course i have many things to do with this site, but most of it will happen when i return to “home base”…
Happy New Year amiga, david
JAMES…
see my comment to Anon, just above, regarding music/photos….hey amigo, i am waiting for your story….do voice over if you are worried about music, but i will have all of that cleared by tomorrow anyway….
cheers, david
HAIK…
i will look for your e-mail…i do hope to be shooting again soonest in L.A. and hope we meet…big hug to you and your beautiful family….
cheers, david
Angelo,
Your name means angel I’m sure you know that :) I enjoy seeing your firdt chapter of this long term project. It was like flying above people and plounge into their soul trough their eyes, activities and ambiances you show us with the help of your very balanced highlights and lowlights. You have beautifull ligh, shadows and little details that can only be seen by an accurate eye but that give strong to the entire photograph. Very deep, spiritual, touching and strong for a theme. I take my hat for this essay and make a bow! I’m sure you hot your subject and you know very well how you want to show it to us. Yoy’re determinated, aestetic, strong and sometimes classic in framing. Just show us the other chapters!
Sorry about the mistakes in English, I was robbed and apart from several stuff they also took my glaces
David
The use of music on a blog like BURN is something I don’t profess to know about at all, however it does seem open to interpretation… will be interesting to see what the attorney says.
Yes, you blogged for two years but still- you pulled this together finally in a super short timeframe.
Your schedule, as far as a reader can tell, is insane — how do you manage to stay focused on ANYTHING?
Speaking of which – will we see any more images from your family series at any point? Is that still ongoing?
Ciao…
a.
SOFIA…..
i do hope to see work from you in the future….i remember seeing your work several months ago and thinking that with just a little push, you would be capable of very special photography…wishing we can set up a dialogue….
cheers, david
It’s gonna snow again on Saturday David…
U guys have lots of fun…
peace
Yes the Obama inauguration will be done. I am shooting both that day and MLK day in D.C. The essay may be a combination of them both.
I just wanted to know what you are using for the slideshows? Looks like Slideshow Pro. Is is the stand alone version or is it the Lightroom plugin? I already dug into the blog code to see what plugin you are using to embed it. It looks great.
ANON…
i am focused on: my family (and family photographs),my girlfriend (even though she is mad at me now), my new beach cottage (where i will move in january), my workshops, BURN and Magnum…and my friends are sprinkled in the whole mix….a crazy life?? rich , rich (not money rich) and i am never bored (well, at the ticket counter) and i am having so so much fun….my 89 year old mother lives in her own house and drives her own car and is way busier than am i…must run in the family….
my “Off For A Family Drive” project is always underway..thanks for asking..i can work on that almost anywhere, anytime i am in the U.S…..i imagine that is two more years in the making, depending on my ability to finance it….i will show some of it here soonest….cool with a Phish soundtrack (Farmhouse), but let’s see what the lawyer says!!!
cheers, david
GINA…
come and work with me…your shop going down…we are going UP!!! corner office…..
hugs, david
Oh and what is the pluging that is nesting these comments and allowing someone to comment specifically to a certain comment?
Yeah I read your comment, I am very interested to hear about your meeting tomorrow, will check back in. I will send through the multimedia piece from the cemetery project to you as it is ready to go. I hope this will add a bit of variety too, what with its narration and live sound etc. A different approach to what we have seen so far. Please let me know how you would like it as it will be a single file. Just need to know what file format .mov, flv…? Also no size is stated in the submissions guidelines for multimedia work. Do you/Anton have a preference? In the meantime You can view the piece in the multimedia section of my site as a refresher.
Cheers,
James
Angelo –
As always…..amazing!! It was such a pleasure getting to know you, and working beside you, in Oaxaca. Glad we could stay in touch afterward as well. Hope to see more of your photos soon.
David…the Oaxaca workshop truly changed me as a photographer, it reshaped the way I see. A heartfelt thank you.
Alex
poetic..
fleeting moments..
light..
dark..
mysterious..
visual poetry….
David & Anton: Burn is beautiful! Congratulations – I hope you are both very pleased.
Angelo: I love your work! There’s just so much emotion. It is a pleasure to see it again and I look forward to much, much more.
I’ll echo Alex and say it was honor to meet and work with all of you in Oaxaca.
Best wishes for a peaceful and productive new year.
Jean
Angelo (21 yrs old)
that just blew my mind.
i have been stewing over how mature the topic was and how seasoned someone needs to be to create an essay like this…. to be sensitive to information capture that is so subtle and so sublime and so spiritual… For crying out loud… i just considered how short of a time you might have managed to collect these images in… Angelo… don’t even tell me.
i will say that you have discovered photographic ambiguity very very very early on in your path Angelo. i’m mixed between happy for you and envious of you ;-) This aspect of photography is one of the last secret weapons that the still-image has against the ease at which moving pictures can now be created. Continue to develop this at the rate you have Angelo and the still-image will surely have an formidable ally in it’s challenge to remain an important form of mainstream communication.
Apart from that Angelo, i guess i better go back to the drawing board with all my opinions as i’ve experienced a paradigm shift this morning, no use in making any case now for the maturity of ’emerging photographers’ when someone at your age is already thinking this way. i’ll come back later (and now i feel better telling you which frames i would lose,… before i wouldn’t out of respect for my elders! ;-)
Damn David, what do you tell your students? i’ll have a dose of that.. actually i’m 50 percent older so i’ll have one and a half doses ! :-)
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Angelo,
I couldn’t sleep last night and had a nice time looking at your pictures, you have very powerful ones 6,21,26,28,30, just to name a few…
This essay is nicely put together, very nice one and consitent…
Thank you, I really enjoyed that (i had the sound off though, i prefer the images to initially stand on their own, next time i’ll put it on), you’ve taken some really beautiful inspirational pictures.
Hello Angelo,
I really enjoyed looking at your photos.
The light, the texture, the composition…
Beautifully done.
And, it’s in Oaxaca, my favorite place!
-Srinivas
Angelo, I love your work and the title “Quizas Manana” is wonderful..!
Well done, man!
pete…
here’s some techtalk.. yes it is the SlideShowPro plugin… together with SlideShowPro Director… they are insanely great… we have it integrated with a WordPress plugin aptly called “SlidePress” so we can publish straight from within the WordPress environment. some tiny tech issues remain to make it a smooth ride creating them (because of our custom “red” fullscreen button, but i’ve asked the folks over at SSP for their input, so we should resolve soon
and yes… if you have the lightroom SSP plugin, then, when you get featured for work in progress or an essay, then you will get the passcodes to be able to publish to BURN straight from your desktop…
and the same will be for PhotoShelter (they also have a standalone uploader and a Lightroom plugin, i believe)
now if that isn’t cool…
—
and about the comment threading: since WP 2.7 this is natively supported… depending on your “theme” you might have to do some tweaking in your php code, but shouldn’t be much work… took me 1/2 a day for here (and i don’t know anything about php to be honest, i’m a css man)
cheers,
anton
i second that one, david… gina come over! while working ourselves to death, we’re having great fun here :)))))
a mature piece of work..
superb single images tucked away in there and as a whole it kept me still for a while..
angelo – anywhere to see more work?
david
yeah i enjoyed that. i think it got stronger as it moved further into the essay. there were a few images towards the start of the slideshow that i would have dropped though. specifically 7+8 and 11+12.
nice work.
cheers
ben
Angelo,
Congrats on a remarkable essay. I can hardly believe that you have managed to create this body of work in such a short span of a workshop with David…. I know the man can push you in a very short time but still… much respect!!! I was also pleased to see that this is only chapter one as I do sincerely hope that we will see more from you on that topic!
Again, great stuff!
Eric
FIRST of all, i would really like to thank David for his workshop in Oaxaca…I really think it has been one of the most amazing and one of the greatest places I’ve ever visited. I am really grateful to him who let me know this wonderful piece of earth….
Thanks also to my great FRIEND Anton! the dogs whisperer eh eh eh…:-)
thanks for the slideshow! it’s really great and thanks for the music you suggested me when we were in Oaxaca.
For all the others:
my work during the workshop is the first chapter of a much longer project, which i feel i will take on for a lot of time…maybe because i do feel the phisical need to live this life-long project on my skin, before that photographically.
My project is a hope or an illusion (depends for the povs) to track one of the innumerable nuances that i am sure we can find in our daily life and in different cultures in that enormous theme which is the sense of life and the precious and unbreakable link between life and death about which mankind wonders since its birth.
And in order to do this i am planning my next flights in the very next future in greece, egypt, italy, morocco and others places.
i am glad many of you have been reached by these emotions…
thanks everyone,
see you soon,
Angelo
Dear Angelo,
I feel very strange mood from your essay….Very nice managing of light..I am very curious that how you will solve this subject…Please keep going…
I don’t know exactly about ‘Day of the dead’of Mexico…It is very similar concept of death of Oriental world. We understand Life is eternal and death is the extension of life, too.
I have much interest in this concept, too.
Thank you so much.
Kyunghee Lee
Angelo: Very strong. I love #13. Keep it up. DR
ok, i’ve already mentioned that i really enjoyed this piece, more than enjoyed Angelo, it washed over me and i pondered things, both as a photographer and as a human. i loved the spiritual mood of it and it did in-fact wash over me this way.
i hope you don’t mind me evidencing how much i liked your essay by trying hard to describe in more detail how the images made me feel. this is Not criticism, it’s purely how I feel, me personally, not anyone else, just the things that i feel while viewing the images in your essay Angelo.
to every one else… if you’re the type of person that doesn’t like to hear someone discuss ‘aspects of single images’ then you should stop reading right now.. if you think you should only look at essays as a ‘whole’… well please move along, because i’ve done that and i’ve described my feeling about that, and if you feel this way about single-image feedback then there is absolutely nothing for you to read here.. but if like me, you like to roll in your mouth, taste and savour everything in an image, then you’ll discover this is how i’m trying to give me feedback to Angelo.
So Angelo,
Frame 4 – this sets-up the spiritual mood right off the starting block, Bravo but Angelo, i’m not going to lie; the first time through this essay… the wonky horizons of this frame did unnerve me a bit, but having seen the sequence a dozen times now, i love it and wouldn’t want it any other way, it’s more organic this way, but it’s something to stay conscious of and use it deliberately, sometimes during the essay i don’t think it’s deliberate enough. With this first frame, as a photographer, i immediately recognised the selective dodging and burning,… pretending quickly to be a spectator instead of a photographer, i thought this ‘severity’ of technique is very legitimate if it only ‘bends’, but does not ‘betray’ our feeling of how light is supposed to behave…
Frames 5 & 6 – Genius Angelo, the command of graphical composition is amazing, the sense of ‘moment’ even more so, i’m more in envy than in ‘happy’ over these two images! in frame 6 i suspect there is some very clever and surgical dodging just behind the boy?… and a bit more splashed evenly through the bottom right corner of the frame? if so… it’s so subtle it’s perfect, if not, god is on your side! being really picky, in frame 5 there’s something distracting going on just under the women’s left arm that seems to defy reality, it could just be pure motion blur or it could be the first time i’ve seen some dodging that is not perfect. But both of these images seem right from the journals of Robert Frank with regards to narrative, image 5 most so…
Frame 7 – Lovely shot, this image is full of visual rhymes including the shapes of ‘U’ and the circular shaped bags and the verticals of the women’s legs, and again Angelo, the god of light is on your side with the sweep of lit pavement, it correlates exactly with the perspective of tiles. All of this graphical harmony forms a perfect crown and sets us up for a ‘where’s waldo’ sensation with the boy.. he’s the gem in the crown. Great Image Angelo, being really picky, if you’re going to dodge and burn as extensively as you have and so masterfully,… purely in my opinion, i would have dodged a bit more of the older women’s face, i feel you let it clip far to fast into shadows and i suspect a more readable expression would be more beneficial for the strength of the entire image, let’s face it, it’s the two faces in this image that are in control here, the rest is just yummy folds of graphical fun… again that’s being really picky Angelo, and i’ve thought about the benefit of ambiguity before i offer this very personal sentiment.
Frame 8 – in my opinion this is the first abuse of dodging Angelo, it disobeys the behaviour of light…. and i want to like this image, and i even want to say it’s Divine Intervention that i’m supposed to be feeling here, but i can’t, i ‘personally’ feel this image is over-worked dodging and burning, at least for me, thinking hard about what might correct this image would be to relax the spotlight circular feel of the dodge and let a unburn the area that would unwind from the circle and go up the stairs, for me the ‘stair to where’.. is the second important feature in this image from the point of narrative, after that it’s just a picture of a ‘scene’ again, this is just my personal opinion Angelo.
Frame 9 – I see what your doing here Angelo, but it doesn’t work for me, i wouldn’t have clipped her in shadows to such an extent, sorry i can’t back this up better, but graphically this is amazing, but the clipping of the women to that extent in shadows, well it doesn’t sit well with me, it dissolves some of the human gravity for me even if that’s exactly what you captured.. again, i’ve thought about ambiguity here, but sorry it doesn’t work for me, very harsh i know.
Frame 10, necessary filler.
Frame 11 shows you just how strong Frame 6 is, yes frame 11 is good shot, but the pull of opposite forces in frame 6 makes a great shot like this look weaker. I like it, it’s valuable, but the relationship of the two crosses and the catching up girl make this ‘just’ a great image for me ;-)
Frame 12 – i don’t like it, i can’t get past the processing on this one and that just makes me think of other things i don’t like about it, for example, the subject matter ‘moving out into the distance’ theme, i’d like to have some visual queues of destination with this theme, i just feel like there’s a wall up ahead and they will then need to turn around and come back, sorry, again harsh Angelo, but this is just how i feel, it’s not even an opinion of good or bad… just what i think when i look at it Angelo, but this one jars my own personal illusion a bit for this essay.
Frame 13 – i’m right back in my spiritual trance again Angelo. Surgical Dodging There! Bravo.
Frame 14 – what a great idea for a shot and processing is great, there’s an unnerving sense of dis-balance caused by the bottom right side of the frame, i think the unnerving feel is exactly what makes this shot grow on me for this essay.
Frame 15 – this is too much of a visual joke for me Angelo, it’s the bane of street photography in my opinion and seems to be too much a celebration of itself. this couldn’t be more of a personal opinion and if you haven’t seen loads of it, you will love this shot, but i have and my feelings are jaded because of it. not a criticism, just feedback from me.
Frame 16, 17, 18 – Gems… nothing left to say.
Frame 19 – Great, and in a lesser body of work a trophy, it doesn’t live up to the rest of the images for me, sorry, just me, i’m sure.
Frame 20, 21, 22 – Nice, but not your best, but likely very necessary for the essay
Frame 23 – Angelo, you could build a career off that frame alone, this has competition prize winner all over it and if you ever make Magnum this will surely be in your top 30. How on earth did you get that devilish beard in there!!
Frame 24 – Nope, nothing at all for me to like, sorry, maybe others will love it.
Frame 25, 26, 27- like i’ve said already, good, probably necessary, i wouldn’t be so harsh to call them filler, but not your best in my opinion.
Frame 28 – I want this print!!! Nuf Said!
Frame 29 and Frame 30, perfect images to wind down the essay. should you have shut down the essay at frame 30 instead of 31 is the question i’m struggling with right now Angelo? having watched this now more than a dozen times and because i’m more of a photographer than a spectator, I say…yes.. why?….. well frame 31 is just too over processed for me, i like it, but i think, purely in my opinion, you might have gone too far and not bent light, but betrayed it.
that’s the micro view,… at a macro level this is more than a success. it makes me happy to think that Burn is doing exactly what it said it was going to do,… provide a place that emerging photographers can display their work and we can sit around the campfire and talk about it, and we wouldn’t see it if Burn wasn’t here.
Have seen three dynamically different offerings, it makes me wonder if some of the visitors to Burn will join in when they see something more in their taste, or if they will only join in when thier powers can be used for evil, or worse purely to mentally spar with the David about the credibility of an opinion or the subtle difference between paranoia and fear, or other things that don’t relate at all to photography, I guess we shall see.
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DAVID.
The use of the word “staff” was meant to be humorous. :))
Believe me, I know what hard work you and Anton are doing here and as I said under Welcome…the site is far beyond anything I ever imagined. The evolution from road trips to burn is incredible.
No hurry to make any changes or additions…all is fine as is.
The weather has finally warmed up here in NM. Hopefully you are having the same in Colorado.
Happy 2009!
ANTON.
That comment applies to you as well. :))
JOE,
do you… perhaps Joe… think that Joe… you’re using people’s first names overly often Joe… huh Joe… do ya Joe…
Let me know ………………..Joe……………..
hmmm… i’ve heard that tone before, sounds exactly like what Ramanan Sivaranjan AKA funkaoshi might say.
i bet if cared to look i could find more evidence to suggest this, but logging on to hcsp is just not something i find appealing to do anymore for exactly this reason, last time i looked the inmates like this one were running the asylum.
Also, I guess this has been pointed out above, but I can’t take people seriously who are over the age of 14 and still … feel like … they need to use … ellipses… as their only … form of punctuation … dude. -Ramanan Sivaranjan
from just a couple of hours ago…hmm… mere coincidence?, i don’t think so, nice smoking gun there Ramanan, i wonder how many identities you can account for? it really is a sad day for HCSP.
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Great job JOE…
you are really really helping us a lot over here..
people should pay u for your in depth critique/analysis.
it comes from your heart, you put effort, u dont just talk to talk..
we need your input
thank u again for the phonecall from england yesterday, and yes i hope
i’m gonna meet in person my new brazilian friend soon..
peace & hugs
Hey Joe,
I understand your frustration with all the Flickrjustice and trolling and whatnot, but please try not to lump a group of 27,000 into ONE entity. It’s not HCSP doing this, no matter how tribal it feels, we all operate on different maturity levels, as is normal.
I’m sure the transgressors have much more in common with each other than being members of that group.
Jared, you are absolutely correct, i communicate daily with many of the members outside of hcsp,… Panos was on the phone with one of the past administrators of hcsp yesterday,… and i recently linked hcsp to the Magnum blog as a place of invention; if you know anything about me you would not question my hope for hcsp.
unfortunately it’s just so clear that all the troll design plans are raised over at hcsp now, the Ben/Jinju attack could only come from there and i wasn’t at all suprised to find evidence of this last incident over there.
but i will just have to let it go, i know. cheers.
..
ANGELO
The comment about “photographic ambiguity” by Joe resonates with me, and I think that indeed you have a stronghold on it…I very much look forward to the future chapters of this piece and I wish you well with it..congratulations on making the inner, the outer..
ANGELO
You have shown us your vision within the vision, poetry within the poem, shadow within the light, silence within the song. Mature, insightful, subtle and touching…this body of work is a shining beacon. Your young age, the short amount of time in its creation leave me breathless. But obviously years and days don’t matter when one has art in one’s soul. And that you do, my friend. That you do. Looking forward to following your journey. Please keep submitting new chapters as they come into being.
Patricia
Joe,
I do know you from HCSP (and was sorry to see you go) and I know how much you invested in that group. I wouldn’t call myself an active participant, but an active lurker (if that’s possible :} ).
Calling it an HCSP thing makes it uncomfortable for me as a member (and maybe others) of that group to feel welcome here, which is something that I imagine no one wants.
After all, there were designs for the same sort of site springing from HCSP, we exchanged emails on the subject (where I offered to spend some time transcribing old threads to a new site).
Anyway Joe, good to see you here.
curdiogenes (flickr)
ha, it’s a small world!
You have no idea how close that came to being real Jared, i spent no less than £200 on buying the domain, installing Sharepoint, and getting some other features configured, Some ‘other’ admin worked through the night to get the blog configured with the back-end database, and we even had the e-mail up and working within a couple of days… alas we hit some issues with images that made it seem too clumsy, and it all fizzled out before we could take it to interested parties like yourself to start doing all the slave labour ;-) if it’s any consolation, i’m still getting billed monthly for the sharepoint service ;-(
anyway, you are correct again and it’s good to have you over here as well.
No, it’s no consolation, although maybe it wasn’t a solve-all after all, trolls are everywhere, no? :)
I sent you an email after you left to info@realreportage, I’m sure it got sucked into spam.
Ok, enough hijacking Angelos’ thread, he deserves the space. Nice piece of work here….
As to the copyright issue, this is from the Copyright Office:
“One of the rights accorded to the owner of copyright is the right to reproduce or to authorize others to reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords. This right is subject to certain limitations found in sections 107 through 118 of the Copyright Act (title 17, U. S. Code). One of the more important limitations is the doctrine of “fair use.” Although fair use was not mentioned in the previous copyright law, the doctrine has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years. This doctrine has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law.
Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered “fair,” such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:
the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
the nature of the copyrighted work;
amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The distinction between “fair use” and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.
The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: “quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”
Copyright protects the particular way an author has expressed himself; it does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in the work.
The safest course is always to get permission from the copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The Copyright Office cannot give this permission.
When it is impracticable to obtain permission, use of copyrighted material should be avoided unless the doctrine of “fair use” would clearly apply to the situation. The Copyright Office can neither determine if a certain use may be considered “fair” nor advise on possible copyright violations. If there is any doubt, it is advisable to consult an attorney.
FL-102, Revised July 2006”
And the following is the relevant part of the US Code covering fair use, which I think would be the main argument we would be using to justify our using the music:
Ҥ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use40
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.”
Anyone interested in the nitty gritty of this can find the information at the following website:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107
Lovely work Angelo — beautiful images and mood. You have a big big talent. I look forward to the next chapter.
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great job Angelo!
some really outstanding shots, thank you!
and thank you (and many thanks to our common friend Nicolò) for having disclosed to me this website
I remember David as a great teacher and a very nice man, so happy to (virtually) meet him again
ciao ciao
Stefano
Milan, Italy
TO TROLLS.
please stop it.. people here do not enjoy it.. and it’s stupid on another level all together.
if you’re posting, post as yourself or get a grip and don’t bother.. anonymous posts from respected anonymous people can be of benefit, but please
STOP STEELING PEOPLES NAMES
you will destroy what could be of benefit.. it’s just not funny outside flickr.
Joe,
I have no idea what the hell you are on about.
1. Ben didnt attack anyone, I saw no attack in his tone. But Ben can defend himself.
2. Jinju, well I am jinju. I know that I have not attacked anyone here because I have not written anything under any of the essays so far. Therefore I think, no, I KNOW you owe me an apology.
You will notice, Joe, that I sign my full name to anything I post here or in the forums. Unlike YOU, my anonymous friend. I dont hide, there is no jinju here, jinju is on flickr, and even there I have no idea what you read from me that would be any sort of plan of attack. You can rail on about the trolls, but what you are did here was just as bad. You want to say somethine to me? Do it under your full or real name.
this is really dull..
simple = use your own names, speak for yourselves.. bitch about photos.. shadows are dull without detail.
flickr people.. please do not ‘bring it here’.
P.S. Joe, it seems you are the same Joe from HCSP. Which really makes me wonder at this seeing as we were on good terms and never had any sort of fight or anymosity between us. This is just really strange to me.
EMAIL PM”S
David,
Im not bringing anything over here. You know me from Roadtrips not flickr so you should atleast know what I am about and what Im not about. Why am I suddenly a flickr person? Ive been on roadtrips as long, if not longer than almost everybody who later joined. As far as I know, I brought nothing here, having not commented yet on any of the essays and having only had a short exchange with DAH.
Hey Rafal,
I think there is a misunderstanding here (I could be wrong) but I read Joe’s comment as a reference to the trolling on another page in which someone was imitating ben (saying “Jinju! I love your work sir!, or something to that effect) Ben cleared it up saying it was not his post.
I believe Joe is saying you WERE attacked (by a troll) and not something else.
Jared,
perhaps, that may be very very true. If so I would apologize to Joe for this.
I think DAH was onto it. We need a first time registration so lots of name stealing and anonymous crap can be eliminated. Its the anonymity that makes it bad, its the height of cowardice to attack people and their work while hiding. Here Im talking about flickr justice, people calling Panos stupid, etc. Not Joe.
I agree, especially the way things have started. The first time registration should take care of it and not add too much work to “the staffs” workload.
David,
I’m always open to dialogue :)
I’ve sent you a mail with my female toreras work several months ago and never got an answer from you. I’m thinking of submiting that body of work to the emerge photograpger’s found but I’d love to have your opinion first. It still has many photos and needs a final edition.
Please let me know what I should do. Should I resend the mail again?
Thanks for your support
Sofia Quintas
perhaps, that may be very very true -Rafal
Not perhaps, Is True. Rafal.
This troll non-sense is makeing people enemies that used to be much better friends.. It’s putting people on edge to such an extent that Rafal would actually think i would do something to him that i should apologise for? I hope you and i can go back to business as usual now Rafal.
to be very specific i was citing this nonsense when i refereneced Ben/Jinju Attack:
Oh my god ! JINJU from Flickr is here.
I respect your work JINJU. i have expanded my photographic horizons since i have seen your work mr.
JINJU. I love your work sir.
ben -Ben
OK Joe, sorry for misunderstanding. I think we are all on the same page here, there needs to be some mechanism to prevent these trolls from “contributing”. An intial registration should be step 1.
Joe,
I agree but I didnt know you were the same Joe I knew from HCSP. If I did, I wouldnt suspect you of anything. I realized it a while after my initial post to you. We are still friends, atleast I still consider you my friend. I hope there are no hard feelings.
Rafal, i’ll never forget (that’s ‘forget’ Rafal, nor ‘forgive’ ;-) forget you telling me off for being an idiot years ago, i’d hate to see the gradual conversion from idiot to friendship be lost, and before you get confused again, i’m the joe at magnum as well :-) and i do link my site to my posts and it does have all of my contact details there! phone number included ;-) ok time to move on. :-)
Very enjoyable, coherent essay.
As an outsider (yes, another one of those f’ing people), I have to admit to being put off commenting till now.
I honestly didn’t feel my comments on the previous two essays would have been accepted as they wouldn’t have been the complete love in that was happening… not that they would have been a complete and utter message of hate or anything, but the environment didn’t seem conducive to constructive criticism from unknown outsiders… and I’m still not sure whether it is?
I did enjoyed this essay and think its a great start, but this is where I have to question something? Is it now presented as a completed item or is it just a work in progress? if so what makes it different from the other work in progress section that is pending?
JD
evocative.. ethereal… dream like….. wonderful effort..
of course as with all viewers some images impact more than others…. but in the end i find the edit of a photographer his personal vision.. not mine.. i allow myself to go along on your ride…. thanks for the passage
someone didnt like frame 12… i loved it.. reminded me of a hugo brehme… classic
and 16 and 17 gems
JAMES DODD…
this is a good question….my plan is to publish essays as either totally complete or as at least completed chapters or sections of what may become a larger body of work….the soon to be “work in progress” will quite literally be the very beginning of a project …some essays take years to complete, others only a few days…if we were to use music as an example, this essay might be one song that would later become part of a whole album of related songs…or as Angelo clearly states here, this is “part one”….all of the essays presented so far are book projects in progress….none of them are the whole book…
for example, you will soon see Mike Young’s “Blues , Booze and BBQ”…this is a slide show representing his book which will be published by Powerhouse in the fall…to really see what Mike has done, you will need to see the finished book…so, the slide show is just that…a slide show….an essay in and of itself , yet with more to come between the hard covers…as i have said many times, a slide show is one thing, a gallery show another and a book another…all essays , but with different most immediate manifestations…
also coming soon will be Patricia Lay Dorsey’s “Falling Into Place”…this is a classic example of an online mentoring experience…Patricia started right on my old blog “road trips” and for those who were paying attention, she evolved right here in front of everyone…our new “work in progress” will make this process easier for everyone to see…
many thanks for your comment and question…
cheers, david
RAFAL…
i am a bit lost here…i have seen a couple of comments from DAH, which is not me…my initials but not how i sign pieces here…yes, you are one of the “originals” here, and i have nothing but respect…i am only waiting for your essay…
peace, david
JOE…RAFAL…
ok, everybody please calm calm….both of you have a lot to say….i want you both right here!!!
unfortunately, i think we will come up with some sort of registration for comments…i would prefer to leave things open and uncensored…the way i had my blog…but, for whatever reason, the BURN door open has brought in a lot of random anonymous chat that seems to be not only unproductive, but misleading….i welcome dissent of course..but, it is nice to know from whence it comes….and i will never never understand all the anger and vitriol expressed by some about photographers and photographs….rockets in and out of Palestine i get as something to be angry about…out of focus pictures???? hmmmmmmmm…….
cheers, david
Hey Angelo, I really enjoyed your work. The pictures that I most enjoyed are the dark ones with a tiny glimpse of what’s going on. Great.
You should all check Gustavo Santaolalla’s music not only from Babel and other soundtracks, but also from his tango “Bajofondo Tango Club”.
A tiny correction, “Quizas” should be written “Quizás”.
Matías
Okay, just found out that this essay was done on a workshop and that Angelo is only 21! Not to harp on age, but damn if I could have done anything like this when I was 21. Overall, it’s not really my cup of tea (I’ve already seen way too many photos of semi-empty Mexican plazas in this lifetime) but there are some really great singular images lurking within (esp the holding page one). I was a bit disparaging in another thread in regards to this essay (really just to make a point) but now that I know how new this talent is and the short amount of time it was made in I’ve changed my mind considerably.
One thing is that I think both this and Panos’s edits could have used a tweak from another set of eyes. Both would have been potentially much stronger with a deletion of a small number of images and small shuffle of sequence- which the photographers themselves might have been too close to the work, too new to editing, or even too tired/overwhelmed to see. How much influence does DAH or Anton or whomever have before posting these essays? Should BURN have a defacto “editor” or is it best to let the photographer’s “sink or swim” on their own? One of the things you do as you grow as a photographer is to learn how to reach out and seek help and opinions from others, even though sometimes that help means letting go of certain things (ie your “personal vision”) and can be painful. But whenever I’ve consulted others and made tough cutting decisions on their advice my projects have always gotten tighter and more successful and actually even more personal and fulfilled.
Anyway, just some food for thought. Editing your work is the toughest aspect of the whole process I find, often even more so than taking the pictures in the first place. And I won’t even get into post-processing, another key aspect that will allow images/essays to stand or fall. My hope is that the rush to “publish” here doesn’t neglect these key aspects. Sometimes it’s good to put the work away for a while (a week, a month, a year?) and then come back to it with a fresh set of eyes.
Thanks for your kind words, David! We have never met in person. It is one of my dearest hopes that we will meet, someday soon, as I admire you and your work, both photographic and educational, greatly!! You may know my work, I have linked to it under my real name, on your old blog, in the past. And I hope you do publish what I have to offer, as I have submitted one stupid image thus far and will submit more in the future. All the best to you, your family and friends in the New Year!
SMART PHOTOGRAPHER (you are…sorry, it is hard for me to call anyone stupid…please forgive)..
as i am sure you can imagine what we have going here will be a movable feast….many mistakes will be made, but i hope in the long run to at least be a part of a new photographic paradigm for the future….i have a feeling you would wish for the same..let’s break down some fences!!
surely we will not always agree…fine…good…healthy…damn, i just want to be able to take some photographs i care about and maybe sensitize at least one other person and provide a platform for others to do the same…does not seem like it should be so difficult and if we are not going to have some fun doing it, then what the hell?? in any case, i welcome your input on all levels…
all best wishes for you and yours in 2009….and it may be a REALLY STUPID IDEA, but let’s at least pretend that this will be the year each of us can have at least one little dream come true…
cheers, david
I have VERY high hopes for this place! The riveting discussion that’s taking place around Katharina’s image is a perfect example of how fabulous this place can be, and what a beacon of hope it already is! Honest discussion – deep discussion – is so rare these days, on the web and off, yet here it is, going gangbusters! All credit to you, Sir! So yes, let’s hope some of our stupid dreams do come true in 2009. For me, one of those dreams is that you and this place prosper and thrive! Cheers to that!
Angelo, this is a seriously good piece of work. When I read that it was created during a short DAH workshop I was amazed at the quality of the photography. It feels mature: you must have really connected to the place and its inhabitants. If you photographed digitally, I would love to see some examples of your work in colour as well as a look at your workflow i.e. what you use to get your “look”.
Similarly for the photographs of katharina hesse – not in order to copy a particular technique – but to expose different workflows to the audience here and to allow them to add to their own expertise; taking what is useful, adapting it as required, and making it their own.
Best wishes,
Mike R.
Angelo,
This essay is beautiful and I look forward to seeing much more in the coming months and years. What amazes me most is that you humbly showed up to our workshop on day 1 with about half these pictures created during your first day or so in Oaxaca…no attitude, a defined style, cohesive vision, and a sense of inner truth. The questions we ask ourselves about our existence and our purpose must be explored visually…I am excited that you have chosen to take it on and explore this theme. I’m sure with devotion to this project, the right moments will be revealed to you as you learn more about hope and despair, life and death. Without ideas behind our pictures, what are they?
Be well and keep it up. andy
Angelo, that was one of the most beautiful visual poems I have seen. And the stirring music couldn’t be a more perfect fit. hmmmm.. I’m trying to think of something negative to say so as not to ‘coddle’ Mr. Guarracino… just nothing is coming to mind!
Brilliant and evocative, I will watch several times.. I am learning from this piece… learning and loving it. Bravo.
Angelo,
very nice and very poetic essay, I wait impatiently for the chapter two!!
Best regards, audrey
ps: the husband of my sister is also called angelo! Italian family!
Some very nice shapes and feelings in amongst this. I see where it was intending to go, but for me the music is so hauntingly beautiful that it sort of ‘stole’ the essay. not sure where i am with the whole multimedia slideshow with prologue that seems more and more popular of late on the web, but i do appreciate that it is very much a contemporary thing that should be explored to its fullest. That said, we are after all photographers, or at least that is our main tool for the telling of tales and i guess we need to be careful to maintain balance in essays that are supported by other mediums so that they do not overpower sensitive imagery, or conversely, provide a crutch for work not quite strong enough to hang on its own.
Note 1: I re-watched the slides without the soundtrack and enjoyed it. Didnt blow me away, but certainly coherent and sensitively rendered.
Note 2: my screen name here is a direct reference to what i am called at the other place where apparently i am a troll and have been banned.It does however take you to my website where my name and contact details are there for all to see.
john
john
good points about the mmedia.
and no worries. as long as you don’t act like a troll, you can look like a troll all you want :)
(no pun intended :)
cheers, glad you’re here too
JOHN GLADDY….
i only had time for a quick peek at your work…very very interesting indeed…i will come back to it again…you are very welcomed here….thanks for your comment and i look forward to exploring your work futher…
cheer, david
FYI: I didn’t post the comment Joe is complaining about up thread. I don’t need to make up accounts to mock peoples use of ellipses. I’m fine doing that all by myself.
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