meetings are not really my thing….a career in photography has afforded me a natural escape from meetings…looking at graphs, flow charts, cost projections, etc etc. is generally better than a sleeping pill for me…if i start snoring, just roll me over!!
however, i have called a meeting..what is my world coming to when i am the one who actually organizes a meeting?? this meeting is a meeting of the minds…at my apartment this thursday…things have been brewing behind the scenes for awhile regarding our new site forthcoming …the amount of input recently by Anton Kusters, Tom Hyde, David McGowan, Kerry Payne, Marie Arago, and Pete Marovich and wife Jenny Jones, humbles me beyond belief…these forum members and friends have gone way way beyond the "call of duty" to help design a new looking, interactive "magazine" of which i believe we are all going to be most proud…
if any of you will be in New York on thursday and want to participate, please let me know…and even without actually being here , i will be expecting thoughts from you…i think it is too early to actually launch a full blown regularly updated online magazine with all of its ramifications, but what we will soon have will at least be the first stage…it will certainly "look like" an online magazine…whether or not we actually go on to a serious active online magazine remains to be seen…there are so many factors to consider, not the least of which is the time and manpower it takes to produce one…not only from the "editing team" which would be required, but from all of you as potential photo essayists…
Kerry Payne (a very astute lurker) must have spent days creating a brilliant potential business plan and our Anton Kusters (above and below design/ graphics) has gone beyond the beyond as our web design guru..David McGowan is on the case designing a print version….Marie Arago is working non-stop creating a special web page for our workshop student essays…. and the advice from Pete Marovich and Jenny, who both previously created an online magazine, American Journal, is so well taken…Tom Hyde, whose career is in publishing, has researched every online magazine out there and if he sends me one more link i will go crazy!!! you guys are just the best!! many many thanks…..by the way, both Tom and Anton will be sleeping on my floor (air mattresses) , both flying thousands of miles just for this meeting…
we have assembled here on our forum quite a team of photographers and writers…and unlike some other online magazines, i would envision some truly creative text essays to be just as important as the photographic essays….in theory, people are not supposed to enjoy reading on line…i would have been an antagonist myself…but,let's see if that is true…in any case, i want to give it a try….
right now, i need everyone's help on just one thing….a title….what do we call our online magazine??
David McGowan came up with Emerge…this is the best title we have so far..can anyone better that one?
All of you who produce fine photographic essays are going to have one really nice place to show your work, IF that work is of the highest standards…this will NOT be a site where anyone can randomly post any picture or essay…there are already a plethora of such sites and they are terrific for what they are……..but right here, we will have a carefully curated/edited photographic and literary forum…quality content will reign supreme…
kindly give us your best title thoughts….and please stay tuned….
As long as it is not limited to the “young” emerging photographers Emerge sound really good… but there use to be a mag with the same name (not a photo mag though). Is that an issue?
Actually… not sure I like Emerge that much, sounds a bit pretentious perhaps, may I say too serious… PhotoHood?
DAVID, ANTON, TOM, PETE, JENNY, KERRY, DAVID McG, MARIE, ET. AL.
Wow! Who would ever have imagined that an online blog like “Road Trips” could or would morph into such an entity as “Emerge,” an online zine devoted to quality photographic and text essays? Well, obviously DAH and you folks not only imagined but, through dreaming/researching/planning and plain old hard work are making it happen. Bravo to ALL of you!!!
I personally love the title, “Emerge,” and find the logo to be simply elegant. I like that it is green, as plants emerge from seed in the green season of spring.
I’ll be holding you in creative energy on Thursday. Safe travels to all.
gratefully yours
Patricia
How about “Insight”
VELIBOR..
how could you change your mind in just 4 minutes?? Emerge is a potential title , not the “rules of engagement”!!!…it is to be a magazine of fine work…age not a factor…hmmmm, too serious?? i will think on that one…i want it to be serious, but not pretentious…sophisticated…PhotoHood sounds too too amateur photog site like to me…anyway, the discussion goes on!! thanks for your input, and where have you been??
cheers, david
PETE…
i like Insight, but i think we already have that at Magnum..will check…does Jenny go by your last name as her byline?? let me know soonest…
PATRICIA…
i am delayed on your edit, because i got into this post…tomorrow ok??
cheers, david
David:
Jenny goes by Jenny Jones
Thanks
what about LUX? (latin for light)….. this is exciting…
can’t wait to see what transpires… ready- set- go…..xox wendy
DAVID
Tomorrow for the edit is great. I’ll be available to talk by phone if that suits you…
Thanks again,
Patricia
what about LUX? (Latin for light)… this is exciting…. can’t wait to see what transpires…. ready- set- go…. xox wendy
I am here David… Reading but not writing (until tonight)… I think it is a virtue to be able to change your mind in 4 minutes and admit it publicly:-).
It is just a title and I wouldn’t give it too much of importance, as long as it is not misleading. My English might be a bit limited to explain… Emerge is just fine but, to me, it implicates some hardship and difficult life, implicate a need to emerge from some kind of trouble while in fact no one here is in real deep shit… compared to many in this world… How is this for explanation? hmmm… Anyhow, sounds like some NGO or ‘concerned’ magazine, like Need… which is fine.
VELIBOR…
you made me laugh out loud, which is always good…everyone here is in real deep shit!!!
WENDY…
LUX would be great if it had not been the name of a laundry detergent when i was a kid…can’t shake it…
great seeing you in California, and again super congrats on your Cuba film…
cheers, david
I like the title emerge. It’s short and ambiguous. I thought of a similar title which may put emphasis on the work more, reveal. Whatever the name I know it’ll be great. A rose by any other name yadayadayda…
I like some titles panos used for himself like distixos but maybe not skata panos.
– Karim Sharif
KARIM…
so great to hear from you..what a pleasure to meet you (finally) in Venice Beach…i hope we see each other again soonest…
keep up those wonderful black & whites..
cheers, david
i like EMERGE… strong and simple!
david – i told you i would be back.
GINA…
yes, you did…i hope you got my email…welcome home
hugs, david
PETE…
yes, of course..now i remember
cheers, david
i did – thank you david. it’s good to be back.
i saw your tuesday “trolley” party (on face book) – sent it out to friends in nyc – hope that was cool. really wish i could be there.
Emerge is a great title, it isnt only short and strong, it also gets to the point. I think it will be tough coming up with something better. Great sneak peak at the future, David. Looks exciting.
Emerge – I think its great…I read the above comments and can understand everyone’s point (for and against)…its simple and to the point, I like it…and if were talking about deep shit it is the magazine industry so perhaps this will “emerge” as some sort of example of one way to create a space for some great photos : )
I added a ton of more photos to my cyclocross project this weekend – mostly in the rain – and got a bit more mud on my cameras than I would have preferred…anyhow I will finish up next weekend and get a final edit to you, David, the following week…
Congrats! on the good news and the hard work everyone has been doing.
~ chris
Wow, I really like the look of that dummy page–very elegant.
I think it’s good to stick with Emerge because it ties in etymologically and historically to the EPF fund, which was its precursor. In other words, it will have a good “story” to it, when people ask where the name came from. Also, it states the mission very succinctly. It is not about established, famous, or “young” photographers, but about photographers working to make their transition onto a bigger playing field, in whatever form that may take for them. Looking forward to meeting everyone else at the meeting:)
Um … I just stumbled in. I was following up on a “Google Alert” that I received because I’m tracking the phrase “interactive meetings” on the internets and, well, David, your post had a couple too many “meetings” in it … so here I am … with a suggestion for your new ezine (which sounds exciting). Emerge is pretty good, but it isn’t over the top imho. I once had some email list software called Emerge. Anyhow, it got me thinkin. What about “VERGENCE”. Here’s the first definition I ran across: 1 Physiology – the simultaneous movement of the pupils of the eyes toward or away from one another during focusing. Interesting, eh? It’s a little edgier than Emerge. That’s my two bits, I hope it helps the discussion. I’ve loved your work over the years (decades) in NG. I saw Gilka three times too, early in my career, which started in freelance shooting, diverged widely, and now I’m shooting again … for me. Sorry for a long and winding contribution here. But thanks for a nice diversion, a great blog site, and happy holidays to all. –Lenny
I too like the connection of this title “Emerge” with the “EPF” which it will be strongly based on/around… keep the ideas rollin’ – It’s all exciting!
What about incorporating a subtitle with “David Alan Harvey” in it, thus giving the magazine some background/immediate recognition?
Just an idea!
Cheers, Jeremy
Been reading this blog for awhile now and just want to give my congrats as well. Best of luck, the dummy page gives much hope for a wonderful online magazine.
“Emerge”sounds like a good title but not a great one. I can’t think of a great one.
How about 250th or f8? Eye? (aye aye aye)
Good Night. (not a title suggestion)
Michael
Wow, I’m really looking forward to this: to seeing the quality of work and as something to aim for myself. I like “Emerge.” It speaks to your mentorship but also to new ideas and ways of telling stories. I kind of get what Velibor said. It does conjure up a feeling of emerging from the darkness. Maybe it’s like the primal darkness where creativity finds it’s home, never fully formed.
Hello,
I like “Emerge” and the presentation of the site, congratulations for this big work ! If I can help you, it will be with a big pleasure.
Best regards, audrey
i think all the good photo related titles are already being used.. like f8, apeture.. unless it gets more technical.. burn in.. dodge.. yes, quite..
i think emerge does the job really well.. simple and quick to say, since people will be talking about it.
wish i was there on thursday..
editing..
Hi ALL!
I also like “Emerge”. For me it leads our thoughts to several different directions. Gives an idea of freedom, liberty, breaking chains (of mediocrity). Creativity with no boundaries…
Unless we have any legal issue to use it I don’t see why not.
All the best!
Ari
Emerge is good. Btw, I successfully defended my phd on tuesday. I’m more free now, but I don’t have a penny :o)
Dear David,
This all sounds really very very interesting and exciting. I’d have to concur with others that ‘Emerge’ seems quite an apt name for the site. References to photography, such as f8..aperture…etc, as stated by David B, have been done and aren’t really in the spirit of what you are trying to achieve I think. ‘Emerge’ has obvious connotations linked to the EMF, but it also acts a word of almost encouragement to the viewer. I’ll keep it in my mind in the next day or two and let you know if I can think of anything.
I really wish I could be at the meeting on Thursday. Trips to Perpignan and Virginia this year have limited my excursions at the moment from China. Any chance of getting an online presence set-up for this? I presume people have webcams, Skype etc, so I can’t imagine it would be too tricky to get something set-up. Just a thought.
By the way, I just had a dispatch published with the Digital Journalist in their December Issue on my work from Mongolia. Thought you and everyone may like to have a look…. http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0812/dispatches.html … I wrote an 800 word text piece to accompany the photos (different from the DJ dispatch i.e. not first-person). Would be interested to hear your thoughts on writing with your photo-essays. Have you ever done it? Maybe a topic for a separate post!
If there is anything you think I could help you with for the new site, please do let me know. I don’t mind being delegated some tasks, as long as I can do them from out here in Beijing!
Best to you and all,
Sean
HEY Y’ALL! :))))
firstly, what a gorgeous mock=up page…love both the aqua dream card/title and the dummy pic from Anton’s Sugar….and you, David, are in very good hands with that crew :))))…so, big ups to Anton, Tom, David, Kerry, Pete, Jenny and Marie for putting this caboose on track :))))…will be there in spirit on thursday (what the hell can a working dad do? ;)) )…may call u thursday night: is this a day or night mtg??…..
as to the title…i think it’s perfect and elegant for all the reasons sited, ….Vergence is cool too, but maybe too long….unless something strikes a cord, i think Emerge is really strong….
the only other word that comes to me, this early in the morning might be
LOOM
…
means the same as emerge, but more ambiguous…which might hold since the magazine will be both strong with visual AND written content….
so, while I totally am down with Emerge, my contribution is
LOOM
hugs ya’ll
bob
PS. ON SATURDAY NIGHT I MET AND DRANK WITH MARC DAVIDSON AND KARL (from your 1st October at-home workshop). WOW, WHAT 2 GREAT GUYS :)))…really loved both and will write both today….the beginning of a beautiful friendship :))))…or was that Casablanca ;)))
I’m not really for or against emerge. And I think that’s a good thing. You want a name that will be defined my the online magazine, rather than vice versa.
Maybe it has a bit too much of the “emerging photographer” thing to it, but seeing as online magazine’s are an emerging thing as well I don’t think that connection is too strong.
And I’m really liking Anton’s designs, I reckon even in Perpignan you could see his mind racing, full of ideas and possiblities for this site!
James
Looks cool…
Hey David,
am wrapping up here…. went really well..
I think it sounds good. Short like it should be. But there’s just something that I don’t like. Would it be possible to use emerging? just think it sounds better.. Emerge, while it’s good name sounds a bit like a parfume name or something..
The little I can see of the layout looks good. I don’t know about the line at the bottom of the word emerge. I guess it should have some sort of a symbolic meaning?
All in all, very exciting stuff!
Cheers
Exciting idea, with what seems to be a critical mass of support and willingness to help.
“Emerge” suggests that it’s about the photographers (the ones doing the emerging) rather than about the work. This begs the question of whether the site is photography for photographers — in which case it’s a fine name — or whether it hopes to appeal more broadly to people who want to see new or different work.
If the latter, then perhaps a name like “Lifescapes” might be better at suggesting something about the work (views of life, as seen by contributors) than about the people producing it.
-Kevin
Personally I really like EMERGE but how about VISUALCOLLECTIVE OR EMERGINGCOLLECTIVE ?
to me, the concept of our very own online magazine and this vibrant forum of ours consisting of the ever-evolving and organic entity of thinkers/readers/writers/lurkers/photographers/… epitomize the expression “Free World”!!! Let that be the name of our online magazine…
FREE WORLD
Emerge and Vergence both sound good to me. The name is important and it wouldn’t do any harm if it was picked up in Google easily by photo surfers.
Yes David, quality must be the criteria for accepting essays and writings even if it rules me or others here out.
If we are to have on-line and hard-copy versions of the magazine I’d like to see the on-line version updated often and the hard-copy version as a monthly bi-monthly available initially by subscription. I like the Digital Journalist but I read it in a few days. If it was updated more often I’d visit more often.
What pisses me off about the majority of hard-copy photo mags is their predictability. Spring flowers in spring, how to photograph snow in winter etc. etc. give me a break! Why are they so predictable? Why don’t they cater for people who take photography seriously?
I don’t want camera reviews; plenty of sites do these already. I would like some how-to articles or, rather, how I got the photograph articles.
Not 125th at F8 stuff but how serious photographers get access e.g. it took me six months of talking to people and showing them previous work then i had to get a visa I flew into country A first, then country B, because country A would not allow me to enter if I’d been to country B and my passport was stamped accordingly. I stayed at hotel majestic, for a good local guide telephone etc. etc and that’s how I got the photograph. You get the idea, show the hard work that put you or I at the spot where the photograph was taken.
I want to see serious essays but that does not mean that they all have to be full of doom, gloom and blood. Serious can be uplifting too.
I really want to come to New York for this one but probably won’t. Can anyone post a meeting video with sound for the non-attendees?
Good luck for Thursday.
Mike R.
The concept of ‘With’ … or Latin …’Co’ … should feature highly in such an ambitious altruistic endeavour… it will keep fresh in everyone’s mind that this new entity is predicated ‘first’ on collaboration and ‘last’ on being just another platform to release x-factor talent.
It’s also valuable to help people remember in the years to come that this was a current day version of stone soup; it’s a sad truth but it’s so easy for people to forget the founding contributors’ effort when in the future the contributions become almost entirely visual based.
Also appealing to keep in the name the idea of a destination for all types of talent, visual and text-based to cohabitate, the name of this concept should create a road-map feel forever for wide and diverse contributions.
so something more in the spirit of this…. might be more in the spirit of a perpetual partnership of talent…. a first thought is ironically a rhyme with the incumbent idea, but that’s purely incidental: Converge
Pronunciation: \kən-vərj\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): con•verged; con•verg•ing
Etymology: Late Latin convergere, from Latin com- + vergere to bend, incline
1 : to tend or move toward one point or one another : come together :Meet
2 : to come together and unite in a common interest or focus
3 : to approach a limit as the number of terms increases without limit transitive
verb : to cause to converge
..
i think ’emerge’ is an excellent name, mine was a suggestion. however, be it clarified that it has nothing to do with the historic meaning given to the expression “free world”.
Merge , Nice but the first thing that came into my mind was the Alien birth scene in the first Alien movie , I quite like the ” Hotel Majestic ” from Michaels last post but I understand that that might be a bit too Doorsey ( Hey Panos ) , How about “Geography is not the deciding factor” ? as in geography doesnt matter when it comes to submitting or participating just good photography.
Sorry that I’ve been off the blog a while but I’d love to chip in if you need any help there Uncle!
someguy is a very smart guy :))))
just another quick thought, i think it is important (philosophically) to get beyond the idea of ’emerging photographers’…a good photo mag or a good mag period (this this one will also emphaszie good writing) is all about content…thus, a good mag will run the gambit of photog and writing, not just showcase the new/unknown x-fact photogs/writers, etc…how lovely to have worked featuring “known” photographers/writers along side compelling work by unknown/known-less….
the magazine should not be ghettozied by an idea, but should bloom from the work. whatever work that showcases :)))))
will send u a note later in the day and will call u thursday…
running to teach
b
ALL…
so many good points from all of you..please know that the above graphic designs are just two of many many choices and nothing has been decided yet on exactly how it will look in its final form..this is just a “tease” and to get you thinking about the title..
we can legally use Emerge..for one thing, titles cannot be copyrighted…we could call it “Gone With The Wind” and be legally ok..we do already own enough domain names to have us set..we got those before i published the idea here…
let me address some of your other thoughts…
KEVIN, i am trying to get your point about “photography for photographers”…yes, we all know that the history of Emerge might come from the EPF , but isn’t that just history and a good reason to explain (if asked) from whence we came? i am not sure anyone from the “outside” who may wander in to our magazine would think “oh this work is only for the photographers who shot it”…
some essays will be more for the sophisticated viewer of interpretive works like “Bones”, others could be on complex environmental issues like “The Desertification of China”, some personal stories like “Home Sweet Home”, some straight photojournalism like “Living with the Dead”, and some”living it” essays like “Venice Beach”….also imagine Erica’s New York portraits with an essay by Bob Black…or a collection of hard times in suburbia pictures from many of you with a humorous twist text from Akaky, or Lassal’s postcard piece and Kyunghee Lee’s “Island” as a book review….
F8 and JPEG are clearly photography magazines…for and about photographers…ours will have as a base of course committed photographers, but not the kind who just take “cool pictures” or are interested more in sensors, lenses, etc than in fine work…i think we will have a much broader base…and featuring all kinds of photography, but with a real raison d’ete for all of it…
i think at first we will just look like a better version of what we already are…we already have lots of material, but much of it is hard to navigate…some stories are finished, but many are in development…one of the things we need to discuss in thursday’s meeting is how we separate out what is “in progress” and what is a “front page feature”…my editing , mentoring, may be more “behind the scenes” than it is now..but, we will see…
MARTIN..hmmmm, Emerging instead of Emerge..Emerge seems a bit more mysterious or esoteric to me, but i did think obviously about Emerging for awhile…sounds like a perfume??? hmmm, now we could make money with that one!!!
SEAN..i already had seen your Mongolia work and just not taken the time to write you..nice piece amigo, and you are really really rolling with your work…yes, we should do a post about writing and shooting..few can do it well….i continue to be quite proud that you were my first EPF recipient…you have personified in everything you have done since, your committment to your work and to social issues worldwide..
congratulation DR. KARANKA!!! no money?? hey, why do you think i am building community here?? we might all have to share more than just web space!!
JEREMY..well, i will be the lead curator/editor, but will have a lot of help from my friends..somebody always has to lead..but that somebody always has to listen as well
BOB.. i get where you are coming from with LOOM as in a weavers loom..right?? would be great , but isn’t there the problem with the other meaning of loom, as in “looming over someone’s shoulder” i.e. an unattractive omnipresence??
DAVID B…i wish you were here too..if you have any specific thoughts, fire them in by email..and remember my friend, this is the first gathering of the tribe for a magazine powwow but not the last…
cheers, david
Love the title and the design idea!
Here is another suggestion that comes to mind (borrowing Anton’s work): http://hypertexthero.com/still.gif
With eight years under my belt designing for the web, good meaningful names are important but a lot of this will come down to what domain name is available. Any one strong worded title would be good, BUT in the end it will be muttled with “extra words” to obtain the domain. I’m sure you thought of this already, just throwing that out there.
Nuff technical stuff… since were brainstorming…
“Be There”
SOMEGUY…
good thinking…as per your review of Patricia’s work..
CONVERGE does seem better than VERGENCE (which when viewed quickly looks a lot like “vengeance”)…
i do agree with you completely that this “magazine” should not be just “visually based”..on the other hand, can’t we be out there on the leading edge of emphasizing photography as its own “language” and not just “illustrating text”??
seems to me that some essays can be visually based and others can be text based and some can be a complex compound successful marriage of the two…
please join us on thursday….
cheers, david
BOB..
yes, of course we will get away from “emerging photographers” as our only concept…as i said, that is just our history..and refers to my commitment always to developing photographers and ideas (coming from folks of all ages)…
speaking of titles and their development, does anybody really remember where the name “Magnum” came from??? (champagne bottle popped in Paris) or “National Geographic” ?? (certainly the worst title imaginable!!)..i mean, “National” !!!! whew!! you can imagine all those old men sitting around a table in Washington thinking that the world should somehow be “national”…but i digress..sorry…
GLENN…
been missing you amigo…what is going on “down under”?? your aborigines work will have a place here if you want…your ideas are always most welcomed…
cheers , david
David..
How about “Focal Point”
Emerge is good but a little too poetic for me, not as atrong as f8 for photography magazine. That’s why we have “aperture”, “W&B”, or “poztytyw” (positive- polish magazine), or “37th frame” it is closer to photography than “emarge”. First thought.
But i truly have not idea. English is not my language, but I will try think about.
maybe D-range or d-max magazine or something like that? I realy don’t know. I am sorry I will not help too much.
Divided souls? ha ha
my wife said “look-sphere”
Charles
thanks for your “10 cents” :). I always appreciate. I have only one answer, if I will not die I will visit southeast asia many times for real work.
peace
MARCIN…
maybe i am just a little “too poetic” in general..F8 sounds too technical to me, whereas “Aperture” has many meanings and is one of the best titles around..still i really do not want to sound like a “photography magazine” per se…there are already so so many of those around…”Sphere” sounds pretty good…thinking, thinking…
cheers, david
English is not my main language, so it’s quite difficult to think a good title (but in case you need an Italian name, there are plenty in my head ;).
what about “essay/essays”? it seems the most used word in the blog (fourteen times in this page alone)…
graphically could become esSAY, keeping the color scheme and “emerging” feature of the logo shown in the post.
ABELE
i like “Essay”….many thanks..why didn’t i think of that?? so obvious…as are all really good titles…
cheers, david
A few more photo related terms….
Ambient Light
Aspect
Exposure
Latent Image
AKAKY: What do you think?
AKAKY IRL: I like GROKKLESNORP. If that doesnt work, SMERGMERVIN will do.
AKAKY: Okay. Anything else come to mind?
AKAKY IRL: OATMEAL works for me, but that’s what I have for breakfast every day so I might be prejudiced.
AKAKY: God, you are so embarrassing.
fyi – FOCAL POINT is the new NG book program they are launching…
Aspect sounds good .
essay also but it could be for literature also.
DAVID :))))
yea, that’s a problem with Loom…it does sound kind of dark/depressing ;)))…and yea, i was thinking about loom: weave, emerge, all that :))))…but Emerge is very veyr nice word and i think over time as the magazine evolves, it’ll be a great title :)))…once folk dont see it as relationship to epf, it’ll be really connecting :))))…i think all what y’all have done is just brilliant :))…so, let me know what/when/how i can help u all…will write you tomorrow and see how i (we) can joing the meeting via phone/skype whatever :)))
hugs
b
Approach
Marcin, though English is “not your language,” you explained what I had in mind better than I did when I suggested photography names.
I think the title should be more about the content than about the contributors.
I still like my idea of “EYE.” In my opinion (maybe ‘cuz I’m reading a Bourke-White biography), “LIFE” was the best mag title ever. I would explore titles with that spirit.
Still… wait that’s it! “STILL”
Some more- “POINT”, “VIEW” (which has vie included) “ABOUT” “GATHER”
More later
Michael
Blink?
I think that the name is perfect. I,as a confirmed “lurker”, might emerge. DR
Harvey, I really like EMERGE. I also like SEE. You do a great job with this site and I look forward to it.
Best, Bill Luster
DAVID:
I’ve done a bit of publishing/editing work in past lifetimes, and, although it seems you have a truly wonderful staff already assembled, I offer my help, if you can use it.
SEE
?
Ciao
Michael
Oh man, I just noticed my last post hadn’t gone through. I wrote it about 15 minutes ago. Notice the idea of SEE which totally agrees with Bill Luster’s idea.
Same idea generated separately must be worth looking into.
Michael
Pulitzer Prize Bill Luster?
Michael
How about just MERGE (different paths melding together into one stream)?
EMERGE sounds a bit too new agey to me, maybe a bit too earnst, and a bit studenty. I also don’t like camera or photo related titles (done and done again).
What about ROAD TRIPS? yes, it’s the blog title here but to me it always seemed to sum up what everyone is about here (literally or symbolically) and I like that it is more playful.
UNSEEN?
A UNITED EYE?
More later (no coffee yet).
Charles
Congratulations to Sean Gallagher for his essay in December’s Digital Journalist!
Mike R.
I thought this was the ‘Correct question’ of the Pattaya post: “Which name for the Mag?” ;))
I like ‘Emerge’, yet I kinda find it a bit too trendy… It’s probably just me. My ideas tend to stay too much on the epf/DAH sphere (‘Bloom’, ‘Reveal’, ‘Expose’, ‘Shades’,).
‘Essay’ is good but it has a writer’s feel to it (especially for the europeans I guess)…
Great work already, though…
Looks very promising!!
David, sent you a PM.
Best, Tanguy.
While I like EMERGE, I think ESSAY speaks more to the idea of authorship and gives more strength to the idea that photography is its own language. Plus the word essay also signifies striving, which in a sense mirrors the idea of emerging.
That said, how about SEEK?
And DAVID, I’d love to be involved Thursday.
Andrew
I have to agree with Charles. There is no reason not to carry the name of the blog over to the mag. Road Trips would be excellent.
Jen likes Emerge
I really like EMERGE, too. Wait I thought of that.
Well, close. Originally I had EMERGING, but Michelle Smith edited that to EMERGE, so I have to give her credit.
ANDREW….
please come…we hope to see you…
MICHAEL S
i do not understand why you think Emerge is about the contributors..???? er, more about the contributors than any other magazine??..of course, the stories/essays are about the SUBJECT…only we here on the “inside” are talking about personal photographic growth, but the reader just sees the story.. we may not go with Emerge and we will study all of the names suggested here, see if the domain names are available etc, but i just didn’t get your particular concern..explain again please…nice to hear from you after your long long absence …Bill Luster, by the way, has been checking in from time to time all along…we have a very very good readership amigo..lotsa famous lurkers believe me!!
BILL LUSTER…
are you coming to Washington in january??? if not, please see me when you are in new york…we welcome your input anytime…
abrazos, david
cheers, david
CHARLES…
yes, i thought of Road Trips right off..obviously i liked it for my blog…but, i think the domain name is taken…i think there are a couple of “road trips” out there…
cheers, david
Funny that Charles brought up the idea of calling the magazine ROAD TRIPS. I’d always assumed that would be its title. Of course some readers might take it literally and think it would be a travel mag, but in a way it is…the journeys we take both within and without. Like it’s been here on the blog.
Now here’s a variation that occurred to me: E-MERGE
It would incorporate the online nature of the magazine and its underlying theme of merging unique perspectives from across the globe.
Patricia
DAH and I were writing at the same time so scratch ROAD TRIPS…
P
Emerge …. is an kool …name … kind of revolutionary … more commanding …. on the oder hand i find converge .. is mor lik a soft n subtle name … lik a peace loving magazine or some thin on tht lines ….
E-Merge, that’s a nice twist. Kind of expands the meaning, just as you describe, Patricia. Only thing with that is, would it be http://www.e-merge.com? Hyphens are harder in terms of branding because you have to specify when speaking of it that there is a hyphen…Still, it could make for some cool logo ideas…or you could use the same basic idea and do eMerge, etc…
Just did a quick search. http://www.eyemagazine is taken, as is http://www.eye.com. http://www.still.com is available. http://www.emerge.com is taken. http://www.emergemagazine.com is “possibly for sale”…
will do a few more searches while I’m sitting here…
Essay.com is available, but I’m not crazy about that; when I think of essay I think of writing a paper for school, or reading the Atlantic…
See.com is taken, as is seemagazine.com.
I kind of like still.com, actually, but that could be problematic if anybody wants to do multimedia work, incorporating video…as will everybody buying a 5d mark2 will be at least messing around with…
Still.com is ok for me.
is rodatripmagazine.com available?
visualcollective.com is also available. There’s merit in that name because it kind of speaks to the “community” around the whole thing, and the nature of the collective effort that is producing it…however, maybe it sounds more like an agency than a magazine…
roadtripmagazine.com is taken, it’s a travel site….
David,
Emerge reminds me of “emerging artist,” which is a phrase created by the art dealers.
Hey, how about emerge ‘n see…
Michael
Actually my friend Cary Conover has the best domain name…visualdiaries.com…
David,
I wouldn’t reject anything on the basis of domain name. A quick search and emerge.com is a merger and acquisitions site. Dot net is “for sale” though (who know how much the owner wants for it). Whatever you come up with, unless it’s really unique, it may need to have something like photomagazine tacked on to the url, ie roadtripsphotomagazine.com. Something to think about.
Patricia, I think e-merge sounds a bit too much like a business site. Nice idea though. Convergence is good, but may be a bit too Burning Man-ish.
Hmmm, looks like Marcin is thinking along the same lines (I really should read the most current posts before writing). Roadtripmagazine.com is taken.
I like Still. Refers to what we do (making “stills”) but also to the concept of intimacy, which is a main thrust of David’s and a lot of the work by members here. It can have a lot of meanings – photographic still, standing still, still standing, still water, still in love, and so on.
Charles
From a branding point of view it is preferable to have a url that does not require adding more words like “magazine” or “mag” or “photomagazine”. It’s certainly not a deal-breaker, but it’s a lot stronger to just be able to say “dot com” or “dot net” after the title, say, if you’re telling someone about the mag…with a lot of online mags–like slate.com, salon.com–the URL is pretty much the name itself…
If you there is a name you really like, try it with a hyphen if it is two words. That is what I did with American Journal.
I like Witness and Vision. It resumes some of the central values of photography. At least for me.
Jorge
Witness.com is just great but is taken also visualwitness.com,.
As you know I am not good in this but maybe longer name like pathofwitness.com
I don’t know.
For me it have to be for long time. You know after 50 years “legendary magazine…” ha ha ha
am I right?
:)
RE: domain-
If this is a non profit (is it?) then you can use .org.
You do not need to be non-profit to use .org
Anyone can register .org
Voyez.org
is available
StillMagazine.org
is available
David, without you it is not fun.
for me .org have no sense, it have to be .com dotkom ha ha
I prefer something more describe what we do something like “If your pictures aren’t good enough, you’re not close enough.” but in one word.
Witness feels too conflict oriented (it’s a term used a lot in connection with the holocaust etc).
I think it’s great that David et al are reaching out and asking us our opinion, but I’m sure once all those minds are in the same room it will all come together brilliantly. A joint or two (or three – where’s Panos when you need him?!!) and the juices will flow (and 99% of it the next day will seem like crap but then there’s that 1% genius).
Anyway, more than anything I hope I can come up with something over the next year or two worthy of inclusion. Time will tell… I have some ideas… but baby comes first…
Charles
Marcin,
How about “Camera Dancer?”
Ha! :)
Charles
camerabeerdancer.com
ha ha
but we are out of the topic I suppose :)
Greetings all…
How about Innervisions? I know Steve Wonder may be about 35 years ahead of me, but I do feel the title suggests what we are doing here. Finding a voice, going within, showing a bit of ourselves through our work, using our vision…turning others on to that vision.
David, me again but this time no laughing matter ☺… I think that having this “cool” name, like Emerge, is not good on a long run. Sounds really great, I like it, but take a look at a photo magazine shelf in a nearest store… Now try to remember that same shelf from about 4-5 years ago. The only photo magazines that still exist are the once that are OBVIOUSLY photo magazines, like PHOTO (how about that for a name?!) B&W Photo, Shutterbug, Lens Culture, Camera Arts etc… Not “cool” names at all but somehow still alive. Now try to remember all those magazines with cool names that were there for a couple of years and than disappeared… Don’t ask me why is this.
David, I would give this a serious though… When a person walks into a magazine store he/she goes to a photo shelf and they are all there, easy to find, even the magazines with “sophisticated” names. And somehow, those “sophisticated “names get lost and seize to exist. So, in online environment (which is where we start), which is a KEYWORDS world, having a name that is clearly photo is even more important, there is no shelf, just keywords… That is how those new generations of readers, who never heard of DAH, not even of National Geographic, will find you…
Just a thought…
VEBA! :)))))…U DA MAN ;)))…u around friday night?…i’ll call u (i know, i know, 3 week late promise, but, it’s been mad crazy, work shit, grant shit, lazyness shit ;)) )…call u friday night :))))
ALL:
VEBA (that’s Velibor) has an important point….i just thought of all the literary mags i know, have submitted to, published in, whatever, same with art mags, and i’m pressed to remember their names (Descant anyone, a art/photo/literary mag here in Canada for example)…
so, how about something simple (though maybe Still fits the bill that way)…..
how about STORY or STORIES
b
Some great points made here — however I don’t think the name needs to be photography related.
this is an issue of branding — the life span will have less to do with the name and more to do with the quality of the content, combined with the ongoing promotion and marketing of the magazine (and David, that’s where I think I can add some real value when we get to that stage).
some of the world’s strongest brands are fabricated words –others now bear little resemblance to their original incarnation…
think – VIRGIN, PEPSI, APPLE, GOOGLE, IBM etc etc…
Personally, I love ROAD TRIPS — there is already brand recognition in this name and it is open to broad interpretation but I also think EMERGE is strong.
For those inclined to the ‘photo-esque’ naming conventions — perhaps EXPOSE is one to consider…
VELIBOR…
i sincerely thank you for thinking .. and i understand what you write and believe exactly what you are saying…you are right on..
however, you are referring to large publishers for which their “photo magazine” is often but one of dozens of other magazines they publish..in other words, very commercial photo magazines looking for camera ads etc..
i am looking for no such thing…not even billing it as a photo magazine at all..it will be a magazine using both photographs and text in the most sophisticated manner and never having tech articles etc of the type it takes to sell camera ads….
yes, yes others have tried the “thinking man’s photo magazine” before..and yes, they have failed…or did they? they did not last long, but when they were out they were brilliant…i will go for short lived excellence rather than produce the sort of things i see in the mass circulated photo magazines..
that is just my taste Velibor and by no means is a put down of the existing photo magazines (who have published my work extensively), but i am just not interested personally in editing a pop photo magazine…
i am a photographer first and a mentor for some second…whatever i publish MUST reflect these two things…i.e. this blog!!..
otherwise, what would be the point in my case???
many many thanks for thinking..i really appreciate it….
cheers, david
I guess what we really have to take into account is if the thing takes off will the name suit? It’s like naming a child ,the name may suit the boy but will it suit the man?
Is Emerge an apt title for what will go on here? Will it be a dissapointment to viewers who are expecting new talent to see work by tired old hacks like myself?
I was thinking about the Kipling poem ‘ IF ‘ and all it represents , some think it’s a turgid ,sentimental lapse of reason , some think it’s a guide book for life but from my personal dealings with a lot of the folk who have contributed to these pages over the years a lot of it’s sentiments ring true.
DAH – Whats going on Down Under? Summer time , the wet season ,Mango season ,the time of year when we have allready had 2 guys drive thier Utes off the Port Darwin Jetty and had annother one of those crazy months 2 weeks in Central Australia working on the homelands , into the desert , over to East Timor and down to Melbourne and Sydney – I love being so crazy busy that you just can’t think of anythong else but where you have to be and when , but it takes it out of ya.
I’m setting up a new web site at the moment after the implosion of DRR and will be sharing new work soon! If I can contribute to the cause with some pix I would be mightily charged!
David, I am with you on that one, don’t get me wrong. Our taste is the same. I hope there will never be any tech stuff or adverts in the magazine… what I am concerned about (a little but not much) is the openness, reaching out to the new readers/viewers… I assume the mag is not to be viewed by the readers of this blog only… otherwise it could be no name mag. I am sure whatever the name will be it will be great mag.
More importantly… and I am really, really happy to see this… you plan to use written word not only as dry captions to photography… you want to get good writing find it’s way into the magazine… that is exciting and that’s going to make this magazine unique…
Funny, I don’t know how I got involved into the discussion on the magazine name, I really don’t care how things are called but, rather, WHAT THEY ARE. I guess my long absence from online disscusion is to blame… Cheers to all. Veba.
Emerge is good. I like Road Trips, Stories, and Essays. Loom is growing on me… though it sounds a little like a knitting magazine (love ya Bob).
What about:
– Light Stories
– Burn
– Lυm (with the “u” symbol – a play on Loom)
Hummm…
…… i just got the latest from Athens Greece….
POLICE MURDERED A 15 YEAR OLD…
THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS ON FIRE…
I LOVE THOSE KIDS..
FUCK THE POLICE
FUCK THE POLICE
FUCK THE POLICE……….
RESIST
RESIST
RESIST
NO FEAR
NO FEAR
NO FEAR
“others have tried the “thinking man’s photo magazine” before..and yes, they have failed…or did they? they did not last long, but when they were out they were brilliant…” – DAH
I think when talking about magazine’s that failed, you have to take into account the overhead of the print endeavor. Paper, ink, postage, printing etc. Some magazines, Sports Illustrated for example took years(11 to be exact) to turn a profit.
Did those “thinking magazines” fail because of lack of interest or because the publisher was not well-heeled enough for the money pit that is publishing.
The beauty of living in the internet age is that none of those costs will impact an online publication. Hosting fees, the equivalent of printing, paper and distribution is next to nothing.
And what is the point of the magazine, to make a lot of money or a lot of impact. Knowing David I would say the latter. And with the level of talent that is chomping at the bit to contribute to this endeavor, I would say the impact will be more than enough to bring the sponsors and advertisers to David.
I guess the point is… It won’t cost much to build it and when you do, they will come….
Bob…
I have to agree with Kelly, Loom sounds like knitting, and think what that will do to Google searches.
Jeeze that may have been my longest post.. Hope it made sense!
Does anyone remember the movie “Z?” The more things change…
I’ve been photographing Vietnam vets while listening to their stories about mistreatment by their own (our) government (us), and I’ve been shooting a series on the meeting between human construction and nature.
Sometimes it feels good to shoot something that doesn’t involve humans or abuse. Living 10 minutes walk from the Mississippi
River, I’ve found a haven in the details of bridge structure. I love the bridges in the almost darkness, looming and strong. Everybody should have a haven.
See pics at new blog entry. (click on blog on my site.)
Michael
PANOS
… with you on all of it.
DAH
Emerge is powerful, clean, and works. In contrast, I have felt this site to be a place to IMMERSE to emerge. I find a lot of detail that are deeper than it seems. there. a word – IMMERSE, and a new word – IMMERGE.
…and – if you need technical help – with programming, tweakng the code, anything with software development – i’ll be honored to take part.
EXPOSE…that gets my vote. Nice one Kerry. Or how about EXPOSURE?
Either way, it speaks to both the act of photography itself–both literally in terms of the light-exposure process that makes a picture, and to the idea of a picture “exposing” something to the viewer and the world at large that we wouldn’t be privy to without the photographer’s act.
It also speaks to the idea of giving exposure to the photographers themselves and the stories/poems they want to tell, which seems to be in large part the point of doing an online magazine…
If “Emerge” doesn’t win, I think “Expose” or “Exposure” should.
Expose.com, exposemagazine.com, and exposuremagazine.com are available.
More search results…
There is a magazine called Exposé, which could cause small confusion but not a big deal.
“Exposure” appears to have been used for a while as the name of a magazine for African-American models, but it appears to be defunct.
I don’t know, I dig it…is it too obvious? I’m having a hard time believing there isn’t a photo mag with this title already…
Chris –
where do you check that expose.com is available – it is taken.
Are you guys just typing the name into the browser to see if you get anywhere meaningful? you may not but that means nothing.
I doubt any single word domain names are available at all – I’d be surprised. There sharks out there for this stuff.
cheers,
Haik
exposuremagazine.org is available.
only emerge.pro is avail
emergemagazine.com is avail as are all of the other suffixes for this
David:
You can check your ideas for a domain name here:
http://www.hostway.com/domain-name
I use hostway for my sites. Never had a problem.
My bad Haik, I’m a bit of a web idiot.
Expose.com is “parked” by godaddy, nobody has put up a site on it, but it is taken, which probably means somebody has reserved it and is looking to sell it. I couldn’t find anything for exposemagazine.com…. Exposuremagazine.com is for sale by sedo.com. It’s a “make me an offer” kind of deal…
All
“Schools Out For Summer”!!! never sounded so good…
at last, my summer break…
time to catch up with myself, family, friends and Photography.
Editing photos past few days, (want to share here soon )…
So I snuck a peak here to see what’s going on…
hmmm…
Emerge – sounds OK, but e-merge sounds more interesting.
Emerge just sounds a bit dry to me ???
I don’t have a suggestion (at present) but I would want
to try and think of a title a bit more playful?
all the best & good luck
Sam
Chris – no worries :).
the way to check is to go to netsol.com (this site sells domains) and type in the name of the domain you are looking for without the dot and what’s after.
exposemagazine.com is taken but every other extension is available.
buying names from someone isn’t really worth it.
I think that “Emerge” is also about the work…it is what comes out from the inside (of the photographer and the subject)…it is the “meaning”…what we don’t see at “simple vista” until we make it come out through our photography…it’s not only about “emerging photographer”..it is what is hidden and we make it comes out for others to see,,it’s the truth…it;s not “technical”..it’s the soul..I think it’s a superb name…because deals with the emotional part of our work.
Saludos.
DAVID,
well over 100 comments after being away for one day….It seems like you have ingnited the blog again with the plan for the on-line magazine that we are all excited about…. For me, “emerge” works well but I also like very much the exposure suggestion made above…
I just realized now that you are planning the “meeting” in just 3 days. Turns out that this week is getting crazy for me with some important business meeting that I am supposed to attend so I am not sure if I will be able to free myself but if there is any way, I will try and let you know…
Cheers,
Eric
GLENN…
i would not do this without you my Aussie brother…you are one of my “originals” here..thanks for hanging in here..hey man, we are just beginning to have some fun and using our talents to boot…
VELIBOR…
i welcome your thoughts always…let’s see what happens..we have zero to lose and everything to gain…hard economic times?? for sure…all the more reason to get up on our horses and ride ride…
HAIK…
i have not forgotten you…i know you are just too far away for our initial gathering, but there will be more….believe me, i will need all the tech help i can get…i can barely do this blog!!
CARLOS…
i have always enjoyed your words of wisdom…you are one of my “originals” as well..i cannot believe i have not gotten to Puerto Rico since i started this forum..i used to go all the time…well, it will be very very cold soon here in new york..time to head south to PR…
ERIC…
i do wish you could be here…no pressure, just a wish…
cheers, david
KELLY…
i like Burn….hmmmmm
cheers, david
DAVID
I’ve just burned a CD with my FotoMagico slideshow with 33 images plus music. I know it won’t get there in time for the Trolley event but plan to send it FedEx 2-day mail anyway so you’ll at least have it on hand. That means it will be delivered on Thursday. Should I send it to the Magnum address? If not, where should I send it?
Thanks for everything!
hugs
Patricia
ERIC,
Just checked out your Lords of the Ring work. Great stuff man. I love the sweat and the fierceness of it.
If I may, I would suggest cutting it down some, both words and pics. I would also like to see some wider shots in order to get a sense of place, where they are doing their thing, etc. A lot of the shots get a bit same-y, which doesn’t mean they’re not good (they’re all pretty great), but you need to “kill some babies” so to speak in order to make the truly great ones shine and bring more variation to the project. Try some different angles, perspectives, and details. Shoot through and around. You may already have those and just need to go back and have a second look. Exciting work – I hope you can stick with it. I’ve always wanted to shoot boxers – lucky you.
Keep it up. You really have something here. And I’m so sorry about your young friend/subject. We’ve had a rash of youth killings in our neighborhood (I live in the ‘hood) and it all seems so pointless.
All the best,
Charles
BURN is great!
ALL…
i just bought roadtripsmagazine.com for ten years…just in case…similar title exists, but not exactly (but that does not matter anyway), and amazingly this domain name was available..
when i Googled “road trips” and our blog came up number 8 from the top with the actual Road Trip Magazine way way down the list, i realized they are doing a totally different thing and nobody would be confused..correct thinking?? tell me, tell me..
Anton bought up a bunch of combos of Emerge but not the very best emerge.com..was not available…
i will try to buy as many of your domain suggestions as possible as fast as possible as affordable as possible….before someone reads this and knows we want it!!!
cheers, david
CHARLES…
i agree..let me see if i can buy it now..
cheers, david
ALL…
ok, we now own burnmagazine.net…just in case…
and, emergemagazine.org
BURN – i like it…
PATRICIA…
yes, please send to Magnum address..
cheers, david
Co-Exist
DAVID
take emergemag.com – its all there except uk.co
cheers
haik
hmm…. “burn”… not bad at all… not bad…
a
Is roadtripsmag.com taken?
I like BURN!!
cheers. Luis
David
I apologize I put a little announcement here, you have many readers from poland or czech on your blog and I am in need.
All who live near Wroclaw city.
I have to quicky sell my Mamiya 7 II with 80 f4 lens. I bought this camera in june and I made about 40-50 films. Camera in very good condition, only few little scratchs from the bottom. Works just perfectly.
The price is very good 740-720 euro or 2800 pln.
I will not send by post, but even from Berlin it is 3 hour by car.
if anyone interested: marcin.luczkowski@wp.pl
Burn is good: appeals to both film (dodge & burn) and digital (burn cd/dvd) users. Good connotations.
Mike R.
Wow! How much are plane tickets???
I like “Emerge”, but it does speak to the photographers rather than the work neccessarily. I like “Witness” and “Essay” and wanted to toss “Content” in for the sake of argument.
Conventional journalism is cutting costs to survive with a dying buisness model. The idea of a publication moved by CONTENT not by trends, extravagant headlines and celebrity stories is very exciting. I wonder if this is how Nat Geo is still around? Or is that diversification?
Have a good meeting and for goodness sake keep us posted!!!!!
Neil
Road trips , we all love em , crave em ,we’re all road trippers are we not?
Don’t like burn… sounds like a firefighting or pyromaniacs publication. Kinda cool.. but too much for my taste.
Exposure is pretty cool, it speaks of activism and photography all at the same time.
BURN is great! Have to admitt I like it better than EMERGE because there is this touch of … of … “hurt” to it. EMERGE ist wonderful and softly poetic, a movement … If there were not the EPF I would associate it with dance. BURN has this edge, you see the dust, you see the dirt and the sweat (well, maybe just I see it :)) It is short and pregnant and different.
And it does not sound as if washed with conditioner, like so many of the modern titles around (Someone already mentioned that)
But does the community fit to BURN? I must admit I see more war photography and harsh documentary in it an less “conceptual” work.
But maybe I am completely off it now after reading all the comments :))
Will let it sink in some more.
What is definitively critical is the domainname. I am positive that a lot of parked domain names will become available again during the next year – if people have a whole bunch of them it DOES add to some expenses.
I have been through this name-seeking procedure quite a lot, and I recommend being a little careful here in the open … I have had it that emails reached me a day after specific researches with people offering me the domains that still were free the day before. Nowardays I just research directly nic.com / denic.de or using the website of a friendly provider.
Just a thought.
Neil
did not see your post. Yeah, I see that point too. But I am not convinced if it is not especially why I like it.
Exposure is good too. Very neutral. No emotions attached.
And… Road Trips … :)))) Well ….
As Patricia I always thought that would be the title… Never occurred to me that we would be engaging in a title seaching discussion :))))
@david: I said I had no money but it seems that I’ll get some minimal income soon… hah, you write a comment and in a day it might be outdated… and, yes, indeed, Dr Karanka now :oD
KELLY/PETE :)))))
yea, Loom, was a momentary (permanent?) lapse of morning reason…call it the “squinting at the monitor in the morning/brain squeeze sans food” syndrome…i have no idea where Loom came from, but…..but, even when Marina read the post last night she was like, “what the ……loom?” ;)))….wipe that name from any connection to bob black ;))))))…im out of the name game for now, unless a starburst of genius somehow appears along the firmament of my skull……so, i’ll stick with my last submission: story or stories…
and Kelly: will write you tonight before meditation, promise, havent forgotten, just wack crazy busy….
hugs
bob
Congrats Dr Joni!!!
I mean Dr Karanka….
Thanks for the invite to the Loft David, i’m certain i will always regret not taking you up on that offer, but instead let me think out load as if i was there…
first, i hope this project is the antithesis of photojournalism, not to devalue that aspect of photography, but ideally this would strive for visual stories with the least text possible to reveal them. Actually ‘strive’ is not a strong enough word,…. but the aspiration to create essays that speak only with images should separate this offering from all other offerings out there. i suspect this is admitting the obvious… i also think a photography magazine called ‘Essay’ could really keep that goal on track, but i also don’t think a name should get in the way of a mission.
i’m certain visual content will come as sure as the sun will come up tomorrow, so it’s not worth mentioning, but people also ‘say’ some moving things about photographs, about photography and about photographers… this blog at its best being evidence of that.
People say these things and some are worth repeating, if some of the blog entries were written with this goal in mind, with this extra effort, then they would be worth publishing.
…this extra ‘effort’ is exactly why so many blogs are just cannibalising other peoples writing, and most of what they’re linking to is rubbish as well; it’s just not worth the effort for the writers to make it more valuable… but if something was cemented in an actual magazine article it might just incite you, it would incite others and rather than there being an individual’s half-hearted blogging effort you would end up with an army of thoughtful, hard-working contributors. How funny would it be if all the photography blogging dried up, because they became periodic soulful contributors to this magazine,… only the better ones of course! ;-)
but what to write about?…. well photographers are inherently fascinated with how a photograph came to be. they love to hear how photographers work,.. how they think,… how they edit,… heck, how they convince their partner in life to let them keep this jealous mistress we call photography.
So not to augment the photographs, but text to augment the mission of becoming a story-telling photographer sounds like some appealing text to have.
…for example David you’ve already seduced many people with your description of an edit. I’m certain it would be painful to describe this effort in much, much, more detail, so painful that it might not seem a worthwhile investment to blog about, but if something was cemented in an actual magazine article it might just incite you and then so many more would get the benefit of it.
there are equally other cryptic or unarticulated things relating to photography to understand better and they have nothing to do with cameras and lenses, they have to do with ambiguity and narrative. If anyone doesn’t have an appetite for this then they haven’t tasted it yet through photographer interviews in places like the W.P.P or the Magnum site.
i really hope with a more permanent place to offer these text-based efforts, (if they’re in scope for the project), then healthy competitive spirit will kick in and rather than ramble on the blog, people will think hard then submit.
Second, there’s been loads of chat about name and the rest about presentation, but there needs to be loads of discussion about process and procedure. It’s the boring stuff, but it’s the stuff that glues the continuity of the mission together; try to do these things as an after thought and the wheels of the mission will fall off. Try to do them all alone and you never get off the ground.
Also, attempting to make detailed process decisions with e-mail or skype is ten times harder; so while in person try hard to describe every single step from the time the new version of the periodical is envisioned to the time it is published and the next cycle starts.
Talk through each scenario for example, how images will be submitted, where they will be stored, how they will be edited, how those edit’s version control will be handled, how feedback on the edit will be accumulated, how updates will take place and how the final magazine module will be promoted to the magazine, which should be described as the production environment (more on this later).
All new information modules should have a well-spelled out promotion lifecycles from the time the information is solicited to the time that it is promoted to the production environment. Make sure you not only consider the logistical process already described, but also the inherent legal process. The legal process is a razor’s edge to march on these days because of the rights-grab sweeping e-magazine land. You don’t want to have any hint of this and good proactive language will make it a healthy topic verses one debated.
Keep in mind every distinct piece of material you plan to include in the magazine should have an end to end process, don’t generalise these things, write them out, you’ll certainly find the devil is in the detail. The better you design these steps the better they can be dispatched to a wider pool of resources… it’s a huge mission, ‘some’ can do it ‘all’ for a while, but if too few are involved and too little recycling of effort takes place than burn-out is inevitable… distinct procedures will protect continuity and allow other to help. The more stream-lined these procedures are the higher frequency of publication the periodical can take.
Third, it’s not by accident that i’ve mentioned the production environment, the features this solution needs are more complex than a simple website, this is essentially a piece of complex content management software, it will be developed, debugged and be the recipient of constant updates. Please don’t short-circuit distinct environments for development, test and production.
Think hard about how you plan to do source code control and also think hard about how you’re going to handle version control, and for the love of god make sure all of this effort doesn’t sit in the hands of a single individual ;-) on a single machine ;-)
damn.. i was going to go for a fourth, but i think i’ve worn out the batteries in my keyboard, it’s not keeping up now… so anyway, thanks for the invite to the loft David, but you’ve already heard some of my hopes and wishes now… and now you don’t have to feed me ;-) , but like everyone else i’ll be envious of the cooking that takes place in that kitchen and look forward to reading about it in the days to follow.
David David David….
You do know that you don’t need to buy a domain name for that length of time to keep it. Once you own it you always have the first right to renew it.
Sorry, but you saying you are buying domains for ten years that you may not even use, made me smile….
Don’t spend all your money! (grin)
I like burn too. As a matter of fact the more I think about it, the more I like it.
“Movement”
“Us”
“Shot”
ALL…
as i have my morning coffee and look out at the new york skyline, what feels best right this minute is BURN….i am not sure even why…just sounds, looks, feels right..yes, there is the link between the darkroom burn and the cd burn..but, it is not about that for me…BURN represents fire, light, life, and a bit of danger too…all good stuff!!! catchy , cool…
all the other words that would logically refer to photography or to us seem…ahhh well, logical…predictable…obvious….boring???
no final decision yet, but i did buy late last night burnmagazine.net for 10 years..we also own roadtripsmagazine.com and emergemagazine.org
but BURN rocks…not boring…on fire!!!
thanks Kelly!!!! yes, yes you get credit forever if we go for it…
please keep the titles coming..there may still be something else out there..
PETE….
damn!!! i just wasted money…i am pretty good at that and now i should be watching every penny…well, i just did not know any better, it was late and i could not call you, and i just did what i thought was right..anyway, i will buy a few more at the one year price … thanks for the tip
cheers, david
Is ‘edit’ or ‘edited’ something as a name?
david
you told me about this on a saturday night in brooklyn
i am down, what time is the meeting? I am in bmore right now but i would hop up for it.
i am getting in the buzz blog world as we speak, working with nyc blog wizards in the hip hop game. I was shooting a hip hop short and had rucus over for a little free style session . He worked you into his flow. Priceless
i am super keen for something like this, it is the next move, online. Magazines are going the way of the t rex, it is blogs and online content.
and now we can win a pulitzer
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PULITZERS_ONLINE?SITE=VAROA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
just let me know the details
i will try and make it
all the best
Holden
Breathe David, Breathe….
I guess I’ll summarize my thoughts about “burn” and shut up:
Burn creates the image of a destructive force to me. It also refers to a post-processing technique.
Our photography is’nt about artful or extensive post processing and I really hope it is’nt a destructive force. I’d be worried that we wind up being labelled even slightly with those things.
SOMEGUY…
i could not agree more…all that you say seems to be right on as far as i can figure…although, as i have said many times, i surely need help from all of you to make sure i figure out what i do not instinctively figure out…
just to address one of your points, i see photographs as one language , text as another, and when they are in concert we have “symphony”….
i do not see text as a vehicle to “explain” pictures..now i think it is true that some stories are more text driven and some are more picture driven…but the power of each is independent from the other..
SOMEGUY, your keyboard must be hot and your mind is on fire…..see!!! BURN BURN BURN
cheers, david
Qibbus
:a gathering together
(kibbutz is derived from qibbus)
Loft
an upper story converted or adapted to any of various uses, as quarters for living, studios for artists or exhibition galleries / To propel something in a high arc.
EO
(Latin) to go, advance, proceed, travel, move along, progress.
“See”
IMAGinE…. Quite a contrast from Burn… But I was thinking of IMAGE, and then imagine… Just an idea… burn baby burn…. xo wendy
hello David,,,,
this is an excellent idea , and EMERGE is a great title , no doubt
ciao
Luca
please keep me posted , i have to work on thursday but i would love to be part of that ……
so we have the name
BURN!!!!!!
:)
NEIL…
BURN…. well yes, burn means fire…sure sometimes destructive..dangerous..but also life giving..warmth…
when man learned how to create/control fire that was the key to his development ..burn means light…burn means heat…the sun..think “burning bright” “burning desire”
BURN is HOT….the trouble in my mind with all of the more predictable “explanation” titles is exactly that…predictable…what is wrong with mysterious??…
remember what Kerry Payne told us, and she is an expert on branding, about the brands that stay with us…PEPSI,IBM, MAC,MAGNUM,CHEVY…not a “description” among them!!! they just “feel good”..iconic…you would not know what any of those products are by the brand name…
anyway, i will probably change my mind a few times, and we have some time before we need to lock this down..i will have all title selections to present at our meeting…then, like all of my decisions, i just go for it..and do not look back…
FYI…i would imagine that Road Trips would still be our blog inside the magazine..and Emerge as the part where photographers develop new stories..and Essay could be the title of main feature story, etc etc etc..
cheers, david
DR KARANKA:
Congratulations!
Ciao
Michaqel
NEIL…ERICA
i do like SEE….i do like LOFT
still thinking…more coffee..hmmmmmm
cheers, david
DAVID…
I like your thought process about Burn and how to incorporate Road Trips, Emerge and Essay into the magazine.
I think you are on the right track.
Like I said, the more I think about Burn, the more I like it.
DAVID:
Can there be space (still thinking print) for serialized projects?
You once said that you like many types of photography. That said, would work like that of Friedlander’s social landscapes or Meyerowitz’ Cape Light fit into the new emag, named Burn?
OOPS-I hate it when I can’t even spell my own name correctly, as in my last post.
Michael
I’ll say it again….. BURN is great!
I immediately picked up on the ambiguity of it. It’s more about alchemy than anything else. Yes, one can take burning negatively, but it’s also a positive force for change. In order to create one must burn. Everything burns!
And it has an edge and a vitality to it, unlike a lot of the other titles, which were just a bit too earnest and touchy feely (for me at least). I was looking at the amazing photos on Eric Espinosa’s website when this title suggestion came up and it fit so well. Of course not everyone’s work is strong colors and “whites of their eyes” such as Eric’s, but the concept and spirit fit. It doesn’t have to be conflict photography at all. Just good bold photography, and no matter the subject matter, quiet or loud, good photography is about being bold.
Hushhush would be nice :)
I don’t like emerge, painful to pronounce, not nice to hear…
David It was a pleasure to meet you in Venice, really.
Burn looks good to! Most of the names being thrown around in here are great. The only ones I don’t like are the typical camera related lame names. Why be like everyone else? The magazine is focusing on essays and stories, not camera reviews ( at least that’s my impression )
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire!
– Karim Sharif
MICHAEL…
sure, why not?? those kinds of essays would be welcomed in BURN..and many other types as well..just start imagining logos….lightbulb, lit match, sun, campfire, etc etc…hey, CAMPFIRE!!!
CHARLES…KARIM
yes, yes…..
cheers, david
DAVID
I just sent you my slideshow CD next-day FedEX. It should arrive at the Magnum office by noon on Wednesday. Sure would be cool if your Trolley friend could see it while he’s still in town. Or, if not the FotoMagico slideshow, hope you’ll find an opportunity to show him my essay on Lightstalkers. Again, that link is
http://www.lightstalkers.org/galleries/slideshow/13233
If anyone can make it happen, you’re the one! Thanks for EVERYTHING…
hugs
Patricia
BURN > Fire also equals renewal and new life, as in a phoenix from the ashes or forest fires.
DAH,
yes, campfire! That’s one of the first images that came to my mind.
Not sure if you are familiar with Joe Strummers bio (he’s one of my heroes – you should see the Future is Unwritten doc asap if you haven’t already). Post Clash he really got into camping and going to festivals and making big campfires where everyone would gather around and make music and talk about life, love, and art. Very much like the concept here.
Charles
burn is it. its great and I’m going to have to go back to read how kelly suggested it, as I missed that and picked it up later on down the comments…I do however remember something similar from somewhere…not necessarily burn but the idea of “burn this” or “destroy this” as a attention grabber for a magazine, record label, album cover…not sure where this is coming from as my memory sucks but I have a vague image in my head of it…
my vote:
1. Burn
2. Emerge or Road Trips
3. Essay
cheers –
Chris H
“Burn”…I can see it now…right on the newsstand next to “High Times”…Poor stoner opens up his cool new mag to find it’s full of…photography??
I like it…
:)
Moving Still
i forgot the s…moving stills
So many fantastic options.
I like BURN and LOFT.
Although after the last few days I have had I think a good name could be
SHUT UP AND STAND STILL !
GLENN
Good to hear you are busy fella. When I get a spare moment I want to have a yak about a north south project.
DAVID
In a few off on a ten day wilderness river trip to document the adventures of a friend with an acquired brain injury. In the past he has been one of the worlds leading climbers. I think it will be a very challenging trip with a lot of uncertainty. I hope to produce a series of sensitive images that capture the inner journey he has sort for himself as well as the awesome landscape through which we will travel.
I will let you know how I go.
Good luck on thursday. I’m very excited to see the results and thanks everyone that is able to help.
BURN is strong – stronger than emerge.
it grew on me overnight. emerge did not. still thinking …
DAVID,
you might be able to “return” purchased domains. Registrars usually have a grace period for new domains where you can get a full refund less some government fees ( zilch ). give them a call. it may just work.
BURN BURN BURN!!!!!!!
Burn is better than emerge…next to “burn”, “emerge” sounds a little too self-conscious and earnest. Burn is more hip for sure.
But, my first impression of a magazine called “Burn” is that it’s some trendy youth culture mag or something. To me it seems almost a little “too” hip, too cool. Like an underground music mag that sits next to rags like “Paste” or “Fader”…
“Loft” is interesting, considering so much of the genesis of this whole thing was sparked and nurtured in David’s loft…
A rose is a rose is a rose; in the end the strength of the mag itself will determine its longevity and impact, but it seems to me there have been innumerable mags with cool names that have come and gone…and a lot of them have been photography magazines. As was discussed earlier, most photo mags that have stood the test of time have photo-oriented names–aperture, focus, view camera, etc…It’s the same in the world of surf mags, travel mags, sports mags. Not to say that there’s some kind of rule about it, but I think a better-focused title helps to focus the mission of the magazine…
There is a small magazine called “Wend” that I really enjoy, it’s all about people making journeys by foot, bike, sail–“unpowered” travel…The title is elegant and cool, but it also has a real relevance to the subject matter.
I’m not sure “Burn” has quite that connection…sure, campfires, light, okay, but that’s stretching the metaphors a little far if you ask me. I mean, this is a community and all, but when did we ever all hang out together around a campfire? It’s kind of a twice-removed metaphor…
Even in photographic terminology, burning is a darkroom process that implies image manipulation, and would be more suitable to a magazine about darkroom-oriented photography, or at best digital darkroom wizardry.
Maybe there are questions about the mag that need to be settled before a name is settled on, like what is the mission of the magazine, what is the intended audience, what are the loftiest ambitions in a best-case scenario, etc…is the print version going to be available at newsstands, or just sent to select subscribers and industry people…etc. I’m sure that you fellas working behind the scenes have discussed this stuff. But I think it factors in to choosing a name.
Just thinking.
I vote for Emerge… BURN is a name of a drink like Red Bull… Burn is a drink of the Coca Cola Company.. is the right competitor of Red Bull…
Bye..
Loft sounds too much like Dwell. Makes me think of chrome and leather furniture.
I think any name David and his band of cohorts come up with shouldn’t be taken so literally. At all! Burn is not about actually sitting around a campfire – it’s about the concept of coming together. And it’s not about darkroom technology or digital processing. It’s about an eternal process that’s gotten us to where we are today and will take us where we are headed tomorrow. It’s said that there’s actually a part of the big bang in all of us.
One of the lessons DAH teaches in his workshops (and I got this secondhand so correct me if I’m wrong David) is to stop thinking/talking so much and just go out and DO! To me that’s what burn refers to. That process of alchemy whereby one picks up this machine and then magically converts vision. You can’t just talk or theorize a photograph into existence, you have to actually go out and create it. And sometimes you get gold and other times it just remains lead.
DAH also talks about looseness a lot on here, and to me burn speaks of that looseness that we all need to bring more and more to our photography (I know it’s an ongoing process/battle for me). To me Burn speaks of that looseness. It’s the opposite of “freeze” (and we all know what kind of photos come out of that phrase being spoken to the subject).
Okay, I guess I’ve voted and made my point!
All the best,
Charles
from a MOTEL 6…
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=apTwaiAyyPI
DAVID ET AL,
Bit late to the naming conundrum but…
What about
“EVOLVER”
?
I like “EMERGE” and “BURN” but I don’t know, when I name anything I gotta go back to the source and I think most of us are evolving because of the mastery, graciousness and generosity of DAVID ALAN HARVEY so therefore he is the “EVOLVER” if you get what I mean…
Probably a bit obscure, but then it sounds a bit like ‘Revolver’and then you have the whole ‘Magnum’ thing kind of reference…
Besides I just think its sounds good on the tongue…
CHARLES….
i just got informed that your book is arrived, waiting for me…
THANK YOU…
i sent you an address that IS NOT my home…
like everyone already knows in this forum… this is my 5th month
being homeless… i do not have a home…
i literally live in motel6’s & friends couches…
$2.99 for internet access…
but tomorrow i will drive to the desert to pick it up from a friends
house…
thank you again..
now i’m about to drive 1300 miles to san antonio texas…
a very good friend will give me a room for a week,
then back to cali for the COURT ordeal…
…still working on sequencing the Venice book under the supervision of my best friend KARIM SHARIF… ( what would i do without him ???? i dont know… )
soon i will share photos from my current life road trip… but Venice comes first …
… scary part is that the motel6’s all look the same, all look like ..like home…
sad…
love y’all
peace
I’ve been sitting with BURN all day, hoping it might set off a spark of passion in my head and heart. But it hasn’t. Can’t tell you why exactly but it just doesn’t speak to me.
Maybe I’m too literal but I’d hope the name of our mag would offer a symbolic recognition of what we are about, both as individual photographers and as a community. When I see the word BURN, I see fires blazing out of control (http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/12/09/us/1209-CRASH_6.html). To me it says more about destruction than transformation.
The names that work for me are:
EMERGE
STILL
RAZOR’S EDGE
AUTHORSHIP
ROAD TRIP
Patricia
Love you too, Panos. Be safe, dear one. Your home is here with us. Wish it could be a bit more REAL, as in a bed, kitchen, shower & broadband internet…
Patricia
The link I posted didn’t work. Try this
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/12/09/us/1209-CRASH_index.html
Patricia
BURN!! = Passion, like in DAH and a lot of the people in this forum,,.my 2 cents, peace… better.. Passion..Luis
DAVID… yeah man i’m glad you can treat the Trolley folks to a great time in NYC.. New Orleans seemed more business.. a bit of an oxymoron for that place really. don’t get me wrong, I had a GREAT time in New Orleans.. but just didn’t see Gigi and Hannah around that much outside of the reviews.
Anyway… BURN.. i’m thinking on it.. it did not work for me at all when i read it at first.. it’s growing on me a little… i like the references to Burning passion of course.. that’s why we’re all here.. it’s poignant.. AND, it suits you amigo. BURN.
EMERGE is still working for me but is feeling a bit too literal.
more brainstorming words for the photo magazine:
SURFACE
SURFACING
LOFT (this is Erica’s idea i think and it keeps coming back to me)
LOFTING (probably not a real word, so all the better)
SAY
INCITE
SEDUCE
ROAD TRIPS
or just.. TRIPS
hmm, i like TRIPS and how it sounds when i say it out loud.. and i like how it relates to this forum.. there’s a connection so people can relate the two..
LEAP
BOUND (as in leaping forward)
BOUNDING
EXCURSIONS
DRIVE (again, a correlation to the forum ROAD TRIPS)
DRIVEN
UNBOUND (“No Limits”)
NO LIMITS
SURGE
okay.. that’s it for now.. anything there grab you?
LOOM brought a smile to my face… it’s a perfect word really, but
PANOS.. call me if you want a place to crash in Austin.. it’s not far from San Antonio… 512-569-0432
oops.. i meant to put all of that on the current post.
David et al.
I’ll be there tomorrow to add my two cents. Sorry I missed the Trolley party. Have we got a time set? Looking forward to seeing everyone.
Best, Andrew
Buenas Noches!!! it’s been sometime since I’ve visited…………..
going back to Chihuahua to continue my project that has taken over my life; got a couple assignments from this body of work to illustrate and write which I’d love to share. while I’m here have any of you been contacted by VISION magazine in China ?
http://www.youthvision.cn/
they found me here through the EMERGING photographers link from last year.which was great. but I have questions and I’m not sure where to ask about this. they have some really beautiful/graphic layouts and design that are photo driven but a rather low budget for what they want to use or so it seems to me-40 TO 50 pages and text-we’re negotiating…and I’m not sure what is a Chinese editorial budget to an American budget…they sell 228,000 issues per month. If anyone has input/suggestions I’m game to hear-or please drop me an email…or point me to the right fourm I’d really appreciate it…
raech@raechelrunning.com
BUT the main reason was to throw down some names for the mag.
4EYES
Connect
The EYE
SEE (eye candy -HA)
MIRA (look in spanish)
LOOK4 vs. LOOK3 : )
FLOW -as in photoflo,stream of conscious,workflow,
CAPTURE
also check out the BIGREAD through the NEA. seems people aren’t reading and it’s a HUGE tragedy; so maybe there can be support for this as photo/writing is such a wonderful synthesis-it could be eligible for grants and public support of “visual literacy”. As I was ‘critiquing” the next graduating photo students from our local university it IS truly stunning how many of them DO NOT, nor are they encouraged to read and write about their photography or develop their interests through books-scary….
so I think this MAGAZINE will be a great way to inspire people.
check out these links for a window into why we need to foster more readers and libraries for a little INSIGHT…could be a good mag title too but it’s domain is already taken.
http://www.neabigread.org/
http://www.nea.gov/research/ToRead_ExecSum.pdf
I drive 12 hours manana to make it south of the border just in time for Guadalupe day; FULL mOON ! so make a wish and we’ll catch up soon! all the best from the wild west! as always I’m inspired by the visit and hope to add to the pool.
nice to SEE and HEAR everyone’s input.
Group HUG! Peace out-
What about,
KIBBUTZ?
TINY FILM FEATURED ON GUARDIAN’S WEBSITE
My little film, only one minute long, has just been featured on the Guardian’s website.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/canonfreecording/canonfreecordingfilms-new-blue-shoes
If you like it, please vote it up.
It’s part of my BOYHOOD work.
Many thanks folks.
Paulyman.
‘Burn’ has an edge, it’s alive…. and has many connections to all styles of photography, actions and attitudes…
….just my gray matter squelching from the subcontinent….
A
On catch up reading I noticed Erica has already mentioned kibbutz as a title contender.
Bob, hoping to see your BONES in print one day. Fingers crossed.
Magazine sounds like a great idea.
Anything I can do to help from down Texas way?
Dave.
Among other things, I’d love to offer up my slide show and some written text to go along with it if this is the kind of thing you’re thinking of publishing.
Dave.