now , this feels strange…
why??
i just cannot tell you…for one thing i felt more than a little bit of sentiment as i closed down “road trips” and our old blog platform…i mean, we all hung out there for almost two years and she served us well…we all made new friends , got a lot of work done and, well moving out of an old house and into a new one always leaves one with mixed feelings…
however, i feel we will easily continue our community here…the most obvious thing is that you will now have a real venue…a place to be published….and with many more watching than you may realize…it will take us some time before we will have a significant amount of content of yours up, but that really is just a matter of YOU getting us material we request…
there is a new e-mail for you under “submissions”…this will be used primarily for you to submit for our ever changing “selected photographs”…..
instructions will come soonest for how “work in progress” will be applied…basically, i will take on up to 5 photographers as a special mentored group….just as i have mentored online with Patricia, Panos, and Rafal …..we will use PhotoShelter as a place to “hang” , edit your stories etc…
“photographic essays” will be the place for final finished stories, text, videos etc etc..this will be THE place to aspire as well as will “selected photographs” which may change daily in the very near future…your .”photographic essays” will be on the “front page” for probably one week each and will always be easily accessible…these essays will also evolve….for example, “Sugar” could end up with a video component at some future point as could Patricia’s “Falling Into Place” and so on…
the nature of our forum has always been like a darkroom print in the developing tray…we have always watched the print develop so to speak…our new Burn will be no exception….
if you do not see your name on the “photographic essays” to come list, do not despair….i know there are several others coming…some are just more ready than others….you know who you are, so get your material together please!!!!
yup , Anton has his story up first….damn right…the boy deserves to be up first (please DO NOT MISS THE RED BUTTON right hand corner for full screen viewing and turn your speakers up)…for one thing, he and i have been working nonstop for days and days…..there is no time of day or night when Anton has not been available for my questions and has not been willing to work and to tweak things out…plus, i just love starting with “Sugar” …..Birgit is a light burning bright….inspiration for us all….
concept and photograph by Patricia Lay-Dorsey
MAAAAAATE! It looks Fantastic and runs as smooth as silk , Well done Anton!
If you need anything from me let me know,This is going to be a very interesting trip.
All the best for the new platform !
Take your shoes off at the door, this place is a virtual palace.
this looks beautiful!! well done!!!
Am I in Heaven now?
Oh my god, is mine THE FIRST comment here on BURN??? I better write quickly before someone else beats me to it ;=)
David, your dream-come-true is a wonder to behold. As I said to Anton, it is all about “edgy elegance.” I know you and Anton have been at it nonstop for days and days and days, not to mention the weeks & months before that! And there are SO MANY others who have made this happen. Believe me, all your hard work has paid off in a fabulous new home for us Road Trippers. May we use this new forum in a responsible, playful, intense, intelligent, passionate, respectful, artistic, authentic way. May we learn and grow and become more and more the best that we can be as photographers and as people. It is a new beginning. And we have our very own DAH, the most generous-spirited man we know, to thank!
much love & gratitude
Patricia
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WOW … simply in awe
dead tired… something turned into reality once again in our community… isn’t that the best, turning things ‘real’?
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going to bed now, but “with one eye open”… touching wood…
sleep well, my friends… i’m glad you like our new place… i do too :-)
cheers,
anton
I love it! The screenshot dummies on Road Trips got me excited, but this really is a thing to behold. Beautiful design, great photography, and a real community. Couldn’t ask for more… Well, I’d ask for a couple of things to smooth out the design: Could “burn” at the top be a link to the front page? I had to search a little to find the “home” link… Could there be a more prominent link to the rss feeds? The almost invisible link at the bottom of the page is hard to find; it’s a lot easier for me to keep up with updates when they come into my feed reader and I know it’s the same for other people… But, what, that’s just two minuscule nitpicks that don’t even really matter. The whole thing is great beyond words.
Well, long life to BURN… Great to see the magazine for real after the long hours talking about it… and it is starting in the best possible way, with Anton’s very moving essay. Congrats Anton and David for making this a reality!
Eric
Fuck YEAH!!!!! Burn baby burn… this is exciting!! xox
Oh my.. it’s like that TV show where they renovate your house while you’re gone.. this place is rockin’!!! wait wait.. where’d they put the pipe??? i’ve got some pictures for the walls when you’re ready!
lance
It’s amazing what a group of creative and talented people can make. Congratulations to all the people who put their effort to create this magazine…
Viva BURN carajo!!!
Looks fantastic guys! Well done! Can’t wait to explore further and see this thing grow!
James
effing hell! full screen mode is 20″ or something… awesome!
congratulations !
congratulations to david and everyone involved who made burn a reality for us all…inspires one to go out there and create…
My favourite photo-bar-hangout has got a renovation and I must say it looks GREAT! Congrats David and all who made this platform come together. I think it’s going to evolve into to something very very special. Can’t wait to see ALL the images and work to come.
Sean
All,
What a wonderfull Christmas present! I’m burning to see Burn evolve. Congrats to all that have been personally involved in the development of this platform! Hard work = Good job!
Merry Chritmas to you all, and that 2009 Burn us all!
DAH, once again touché my friend!
Sofia Quintas
Heck with taking shoes off at the door….this “party” is going to rock much more than the old place ever did, and that “house party” was no slouch…
Mr. Harvey, Anton, everyone at the kibbutz meeting (both IRL and virtually) who dug in and made this happen – very much deserved props to you all.
Beautiful! I’ve been here since the start of the original blog so it’s a thrill to see this new format come to life. BURN is all that I imagined it could be…and more. Great job everyone.
David….
Looking real good! I sent you an email.
Anton…
Damn fine job on the site. Haven’t had time to look at sugar and give it the attention it deserves… But I will soon.
David, Anton and all the back room crew who’ve helped put this together and make it happen,
WELL DONE!!!
site looks GREAT, easy to navigate, intuitive…
Even as a relative outsider, maybe a second cousin to the family here it’s exciting to
witness. What I find most inspiring is David’s ability to turn a negative into a positive
(no darkroom pun intended). Not so long ago things got a bit messy and out of that…
Well this is the result. So if that ain’t a massive lesson for us all…
Thanks and here’s looking forward
Sam
p.s new photos of my own about ready to share with you all
Congratulations everyone, this looks wonderful. A real testament to those involved… It might be called Burn, but it’s as cool as all hell…..
Noice, very noice indeed…
Best of Season’s Greetings to y’all at BURN…
Can’t wait to see what flames it starts in 2009!
Congrats DAVID, ANTON & ALL!
Well done for this, it does look beautiful and is a good reason to be optimistic about 2009.
Steve
My congratulations David, Anton and all the persons who participated!
I am very honored to see my name in the list… and next to STEVE MCCURRY! It is very real!!
I love Burn, dark and elegant, and easy in if to find…
DAVID, ANTON and ALL the people who made the dream become reality,
Congrats for the efforts and the results already achieved. I feel very happy and honored to simply share comments here with you and hope to be always part of this amazing community!
BTW, I had the amazing opportunity to meet one special member of this family last week.
I was working in Korea and met the lovely Kyunghee Lee in Busan. Along with a traditional korean dinner we talked about photography (of course!) and I had the privilege of receiving a signed copy of her book!
My sincere and best regards to this incredible, very kind person and talented artist.
This is one of many reasons to be glad of being here, even if it’s just as a lurker most of the time.
And my sincere wishes of a blessed christmas and a wonderful 2009 to you all!
Cheers,
Ari B.
Neat David… VERY neat. Congrats… Now we are two at Magnum selfpublishing on the web (in case you’re not aware yet: http://cambodia.ka-set.info/ is what I’ve been working on for the last ten months). Very rewarding indeed.
Just one thing about the photographers in the pipeline: James Nachtwey and Steve Mc Curry emerging photographers?
hey all…
thank you so much for all the great comments… really flattering… and a nice thing to wake up to here in europe :)))
it was such a great experience to work closely with everyone, have everyone contribute to the discussion, and to actually physically fly over to david’s place in NYC to “walk the walk”……. we had talked the talk for some time now, and the time had come to show that we mean business… and find a way to showcase great work in a hopefully equally great way… maximize opportunities to show work in the best possible way… we’re constantly evolving along this road, burning, and so will this place…
over the next few weeks we’ll be ironing out all the little things that need to be tweaked still, and adding some more nifty little things… make our life here easier still, and showcase our work better still…
so thank you thank you thank you all for your help & insights… we could’ve never done it without you… no kidding
the engines are fired up now…. let’s BURN some motherf***in rubber…
JOHN VINK – if James and Steve are emerging then there’s hope for us all!
CONGRATULATIONS.
Beautifully designed site.
Congratulations everyone – BURN is on fire!!!
-DAVID and the kibbutz team
I am delighted to see a site this good. And this is just the beginning.
DAVID ALAN HARVEY – special thanks to you.
ANTON,
Man – the whole cake – alone. with SUGAR on top. You deserve a standing ovation. Amazing and clean job. you know what i mean by clean ( css, php, the whole 9 ), don’t ya. kuddos.
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AAAAAALLL- I MEAN ALL, this is IMORTANT. VERY IMPORTANT !!!!
ADD A LINK TO BURNMAGAZINE.ORG FROM YOUR WEBSITE. KEEP THE FIRE BURNing.
cheers all,
Haik
i take the site as a bday present whether you want it or not :))))). I had nothing to be proud of: i was born with stalin and saakashvili. both lunatics ( ok, ok – samuel l. jackson is still in the list of pretending lunatics and negotiatiors with force – and stays along with … burn )
You have BURNED the connections to the ground.
love
haik
The ship is ready and sailing free across the sea with a wide new horizon in front of our eyes. “Burn” really looks great, wow!! A place to share, a place to learn, a place to BE, a place to BURN.
Thanks to all that made this happen (David, Anton, and so many others) and thanks to everybody as now it is our responsability to keep it alive. We’ll do it!!
With the sweat of our brow and the courage in our hearts, Gentlemen, Hoist the Colors!
Thanks!
Ana
JOHN VINK…
you have been a publisher all along…when i met you for the first time in France back in 1994, you were publishing your little magazine …i am well aware of your Cambodia site and definitely think we should work together..i am also very anxious to do a story on you, so i will contact you by email to see what we can do…
as for James and Steve as “emerging photographers”, i sure hope so..aren’t we all?? in my workshops i always have as a final show my student’s work as the grand finale and an iconic photographer as the “warm up band”…as a matter of fact, Jim was the first who so kindly gave his time to my students…mixing and matching more veteran photographers with young hungry photographers is a stew i like to cook…makes for a good meal in my opinion…
thanks for checking in here John…i am always honored…
cheers, david
BURN BABY BURN !
Been away for ten days….come home to a whole new world.
Rock on…….
HAIK…
you have been such a good spirit and adviser since we met in California….i may be out again soonest..maybe between Christmas and New Year’s….do not worry, if i come to L.A. i will contact you right away…i do look forward to seeing you again….
cheers, david
GLENN….
i want to publish some of your aborigine work….i am assuming this would be your favorite essay to publish….am i right on this?? if not, let me see soonest whatever you would most like to publish…you are one of my very first online friends…hey amigo, this gives you a special spotlight!!!
cheers, david
Love what you’ve done with the place, David!
Cheers.
MK
haik!
thanks for the words… yes, i’ve taken special css care :)) ….
and great tip by the way, to link to this site… i’ve done it just now… get the burning started…
cheers,
anton
WOW WOW WOW! :)))))))
LOOKS SO BEAUTIFUL…i just left a comment for Anton and is beautiful Sugar….
no time to write now, but i just want to say this
Big bib contratulations to David Alan Harvey for his tireless efforts and uncommon vision to turn the “success” of his wildly read blog into something even more significant than a family of drifting, wayward folk into a powerful community that generates and celebrates through photographs and words this remarkable and mystery passing life. I stand in humble admiration for all that you and this community have accomplished. What a remarkable gift to all and to your readers at this time of the year when giving and fellowship seems to be at the front of all we speak upon.
Big big congratulations to Anton, Tom, Chris, Eric, Erica, Mike, Andrew, Patricia and all of y’all that worked so tirelessly to make this winter flow the flaming rose that it is! i’ve just spent the last 15 minutes sniffing around and looking at everything!!!! :))))
Thrilled!
When after October, David announced that the blog was ending but the dream was continuing, i was ecstatic, but in the end what was the blog if not a community culled together by words and images and a burning need to sing out into the day and night about all that this life touches….though some were nervous and uncertain, i thought: fuck yea, fuck yea, grow this place electric!….and after these last 2 1/2 months, to see the fruit of all that labor punch itself through the layers of snow and to melt all that cold and drifting winter lake into the lotus of light…..I am so proud of y’all….
and special nod to Anton, this pipe dream is tunnelling in ways that even a corn-pipe fuelled dream could not have imagined!!!
ok, running running running
congratulations yall for this bloom amid the winter snow!
hugs
bob
p.s. JOHN VINK: :)))) emerging?…aren’t you still emerging? ;))))….until the dying days of our breath, right? :)))))))
WOW… wonderfull… I just gave it a glance and I really really like it… got Job!!!.. I can’t wait to be back at my house to check and browse it for full.. hugh and Complimenti..David Anton and whoever worked on it..
Well here we are..again..all the creativity and hours of work everyone has put in, especially DAH and Anton have blossomed..it is fantastic to see the evolution of a community, of an idea, and I am very much looking forward to seeing the images and stories that we have all been pouring ourselves into over the last how many ever months. My sense is that my project wouldn’t still be in progress if it all of you had not lent support and an ear; I have learned much about sticking to one thing, and I want to thank you all for that…
A message from Kyunghee Lee in Busan, South Korea…
“Please help me …I can’t log in new ‘Burn”
I don’t know how to log in there. :)))
I’m very poor in computer, too. hahaha
HAPPY HAPPY MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
Hugs,
Kyunghee Lee”
David
a big congratulations!
and for all merry christmas and happy new year.
Bakar …website hain dada ……Congratulations !!! Patricia … i really lik d “to Undergo combustion” tag …..
Dear Anton,
Very touched essay… It reminds me the memories of mine.
When I was a student of university, I had taught one middle school girl student to earn my school expenses. She was ill of severe congenital Diabetes. At last she was blind when she was 20years old. But she was very brave! Now She works as a telephone operator and married and becomes Mom!!! I hope Birgit grows very positively. I’m sure that Your love for hor makes her healthy and positive.
Thank you very much for your beautiful essay.
Oh! I have done well!
Thank you so so much for your warm care, Patricia! :)))
It is 2am in Korea now. I had tried to access “Burn” till now. hahaha
Now I must to go bed to work tomorrow.
David and All Friends here,
Congratulations on beatifull start of “Burn” !!!
I would like to do my best to be a best member of this community and to be a best photographer.
Ari,
Thank you so much for visit me. I had very joyful time with you. :)))
I enjoyed your pictures very much … very nice works!
I wonder when do you leave Korea. Hope to enjoy Korea!!
A beautiful, glorious, splendiferous site, one and all! You guys should be extremely proud of yourselves on putting up a such a wonderful piece of digital work. Did I say job well done? No, I didnt, so this is a job well done. Excellently well done, magnificently well done. Did I say glorious? Yes, I did, so I can knock off this exercise in suck up right now. Guys, light gray text on a dark gray background is not a good idea. Trust me on this one.
KYUNGHEE LEE..
so very nice to hear from you my friend..
you are certainly at the very epicenter of our community…and you are certainly also at the very epicenter of fine photography….
please enjoy tranquility and know that all is well….
i am wishing that we meet again very soon….
cheers, david
WOW! Check out this great new home we have here. I’m going to go grab a glass of wine and wander around for a while looking at all of the new rooms. I’m really looking forward to the great times we’ll have here. So many possibilities…
Thanks David.
Well… this is nice. Still learning my way around. Like the Decor, nice to see the crew moving over.
Good shot Anton, David, everyone who stepped up!
Looks like we’ve all got some work to do to keep this place rocking. I hope to make something this year, I’ve got a few ideas.
Hope to see you all in Perpignan or NY or “in the field” next year!
AKAKY…
yes, we are still testing ….we thought of having the front cover dark as is, and then going to black text on white in the inside for long text pieces like yours will surely be….hey, since you are one of our prolific writers , we want to keep you happy….we sort of know you are right, but we just love the “look” of white on gray….but, ultimately function must prevail….dammit!!!
by the way, what i really want to have you do is be all of, or part of, a leading essay….i envision a New Yorker style piece…think tank stuff…humor think tank stuff…maybe only one or two pictures…either closely related or loosely related depending on the story…
what about the upcoming inauguration?? you do think thank on one of the most historic events in our short history…you do this from your living room ….we use ONE picture from this historic event..not a picture of Obama, but something from the street..in D.C. or maybe from anywhere….just thinking…
any interest???
cheers, david
CONGRATULATIONS!
Really Beautifully designed site.
Should nicely evolved.
Daniel
Congratulations! Works great and way better interface now!
Cheers
Site looks great – but as far a readability, black type on white might be to stark when you want to maintain some subtlety to the design. Maybe just reverse the tones you have now, to dark gray type on light gray background.
wow… burn is beautiful. love the splashes of red here and there… sizzling.
great job, DAH and Anton, and all who contributed!
though i do agree with akaky on the color scheme.
it’s delicious and elegant
but simply harder for me to read at longer intervals.
DAH– would you like me, at some point, to contribute an essay on my street family?
let me know.. :))
woohooo!! our new ‘home’ is so beauty-full.
can’t wait to see essay, essays and more essays!! :D
MWAH!**
katia
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I too adore the look of light gray print on a dark gray background but am finding it not the easiest to read. I agree with Dave McG–dark gray print on a light grey background would be perfect. I’m afraid black print on white would be jarring. This is all about subtlety…but readability helps!
One more question: is the time GMT? Can’t figure it out.
Pretty amazing when you think about it–so few suggested changes or complaints. You done GOOD!!!
Patricia who loves our new house
Lovely. A rather sumptuous affair this burn business. Gorgeously put together. I can almost smell the paper it’s not printed on, if you you know what I mean.
A fine achievement. I look forward to its continued evolution.
Now if I may, there’s a chance I can get this stop motion thing on TV which would mean a lot to me. Please vote this up if you feel so inclined. Thank you.
http://current.com/items/89645608/to_school.htm
The formatting here is easy and pleasant, somehow. This is a place where one could easily spend quite a bit of time which is contrary to how things tend to be on the internet. It’s quite easy to linger and just read in a relaxed fashion much like a quality magazine or book. I don’t know how this has been achieved but would love to hear from the makers about the process that brought this about.
Now I must read and linger some more. I will try to take it all in. To absorb and internalize it all, somehow.
Thanks for the experience and the experiences yet to come.
Paul Treacy
Hey check out Anna’s story over at Vewd.org…
http://vewd.org/index.php/photo/essay/anna_barry_jester/
This site rocks!
What do I think about the upcoming historic inauguration? I think the wrong guy is being inaugurated, but I couldn’t convince enough other people that I knew what I was talking about.
David, all
i feel like in a strange place intimidating for me but ok lets start to burn the best of us.
sorry for my english.
Gracias y buena suerte para todos.
Not that I’m bitter, of course…
GORGEOUS AND AMAZING for sure.
but…
Hasn’t it been well tested that black type on white is easier to read? Can you make that change now when it’s early on? At least in the comments section?
congrats to all who have made this a reality, it’s going to grow into a wonderful resource.
but don’t try to re-invent readability — black on white, like KATIA says!
KELLY…
i hope everyone remembers that YOU came up with the BURN title !!! i will certainly never forget…many many thanks….it is fun to back and look at the conversation that was taking place when we were looking for a title…i was locked on to Emerge…then, you made the BURN suggestion, along with two or three others, and you can read me change my mind right online…
cheers, david
AKAKY….
i was interested in a story from you on the inauguration…the event…not on Obama…i must admit did forget about your mis-directed political persuasions, but still think you are the man for the job of interpreting all of the hoopla etc that surrounds any inauguration…
GUSTAVO…
it feels a bit strange to me as well…..in any case, your contributions are most welcome…
cheers, david
Anna’s balloon feature at Vewd is delightful. Check it out, why don’t you. Here’s the link again.
http://vewd.org/index.php/photo/essay/anna_barry_jester/
LANCE….
i need “Thirst For Grit” and text whenever you are ready….let’s do it my friend….
cheers, david
DAVID,
Life has been rather hectic this past week with me flying in a rush in Europe to arrange a few things for my return to Belgium in March. This is one of the reasons I am a bit late in sending you my essat… Having said this, in the rare spare time I have had over the past days, I have been working hard on the text for my “Lords of the Ring” essay. What was meant to be just a couple of pages became much longer with 15-20 pages of text capturing the exchanges I have had with the boxers, insights about their lives. Clearly, there is no way this can be used as it stands for the on-line magazine but I hope that this text can be the backbone of a book if we ever push it to that stage. I will send it to you tomorrow. As you have seen this project develop from the beginning, I hope that you will find this text interesting and worthy of publishing maybe at some stage. Separately, beyond what I have writtem myself, I am now in contact with a local writer who has published many articles on boxing. We have started to talk over the phoone and he seemed interested to possibly partner for a book but nothing is for sure here… I will show him my photographs early next year….
Finally, I have further edited my photographs and hopefully can also send these to you before end of week. I presume that I should use the guidelines for submission that you have shared on the site but if you prefer to get this in any other way, just let me know.
Cheers,
Eric
Hola a toda la comunidad BURN!!!
Great site! Nice way to start 2oo9 with plenty of energy. I’ll check every day and be part of the community. The Fellowship of Burn/ Always looking forward. Cheers from Argentina.
P.
DAH
Congratulations on your two new houses! If the one at the beach is half as beautiful as this one it must be really gorgeous (I suspect it is). Burn looks great. Congrats to everyone involved in making it possible.
Abrazo,
Nacho
ANTON…
“BURN is very cool. I enjoyed the “Sugar” piece. What a tragic, but lovely body of work.”
These are the words of Chris Johns, Editor, National Geographic Magazine in a private email to me this morning….
Nuff, said…we are rolling sweet….
cheers, david
Very first of all,
ANTON,
I was lucky to see you at work on this website, the push and pull of lines and texts, colors and underlines, and always with that final ending period. It is truly beautiful, interactive, simple, and sophisticated. Your essay looks wonderful…sweet, tragic, personal, and yet familiar… And still one of my all time favorite titles. Thank you for starting us off, it will be a privilege for anyone to follow you. Period.
LANCE and PAUL,
Thank you for posting, I hope you all enjoy! I’ll never make it in the PR world…but I’m happy for the BURN family to see…
ALL-
Let the games begin. The excitement, enthusiasm, chatter and images always keep me coming back “here.” The new “here” is that much more sophisticated, serious, playful, and image ready. Here’s to many more years, pictures, stories, and conversations…
A toast to all of you.
Cheers,
Anna
okay, just checking in again.. DAVID.. i need just a little time.. i have Christmas print orders to fill at the moment (thankfully).. Also, do i talk to ANTON or who for image sizes and/or multimedia specs? i know it ain’t you answering those questions brother! :)
okay.. working..
lance
Beautiful. Good on you, David.
LANCE…
no pressure…take your time…i just wanted you to know i want you on deck…i do know the answer for image size 1600 pixels on the long side…and i do know where have some cool slideshow software, but yes , check with Anton on the specs….you can have a short story and slideshow as well…
cheers, david
ERIC…
how close are you to publishing Lords of the Ring??? i think we got the edit down pretty tight when you were in New York, but i also know you are still shooting so i do not want to rush you..if you have music slide show, so much the better along with your text…please let me know soonest…
ALL….
i will be flying all day today…heading to Durango, Colorado and mom’s cooking…i will return here as soon as possible, probably Christmas Eve…
we will be ready soon with more of your photographs….
cheers, david
WOW it looks Great – I’ll take the right time to visit this hot place as I come back from holidays ;-) Merry Chritmas to you all! Ciao! Alberto – Milano, Italia :-)
hellohello..
well, this is all very fresh.. well done anton.. and david.. and all.
looking good.
Really nice page! but, but, but: it is optmized for a screen resolution of 1280 px width – something very common but far not enough common to build the page for this resolution…
I, for example can see burn only when being at home on but not on my notebook… and i’m rarely home…
CLAUDIUS….
hmmmmm, i see BURN just fine on my 13″ notebook….?????
Hi David,
I am back from BKK and just sent you a link to the edit and an e-mail…..in case you have some time…. hope you are well .
Cheers,
katharina
I wish you to all of very good holidays of end of the year !
http://elfyourself.jibjab.com/view/qfZvGqKcr1lERIaysWcu
Amitiés,
audrey, brigitte et bernard !
what a beautiful home :)
good luck with this project!
nelson
Great to see the pursuit of a community building.
Daniel
Merry Christmas to ALL!
DAVID.
Hope you make it to Durango smoothly. I am snowed in in Santa Fe right now. It’s absolutely gorgeous (I’m running back out to take more photos) but no one is going ANYWHERE…other than by foot, snowshoe or cross country ski. Flew out here Thursday and the airports were a mess. Safe travels!
Burn is a great Christmas/Chanukah gift for all.
Wow – great job all involved! Along with our virtual new home here, I am finally settling into my new brick and mortar home and it’s an inspiring view. Thanks! I’m looking forward to another GREAT year full of new adventures, conversations, and realizations. All the best to everyone this holiday season…
Well, it seems it is rolling, burning… Very nice. Congrats David, and all the Best. Veba
To ALL-
I am sure you are all getting into a celebration mood. In Cinci, things will be rather quiet this year. No family reunion for the Espinosa family…just the four of us, which I guess is just fine… This is our last Christmas in the US before heading back to Europe… Seems like time is running out here faster than I thought… So many things I thought I was going to do in the US and I have not done half of them… I am slowly a bit stressed out. Among others things, I was hoping to have another 6 months until the summer to shoot and complete fully “Lords of the Ring”. Most of the competition are happening over the summer or after spring… Little left for me between now and March 1. Somehow I have some good shots but I feel that I would need some more time to really nail the subject… Hopefully enough pictures for a decent slideshow but I am afraid maybe not enough just yet for a book which is what I was hoping for eventually. Anyway, we will do our best with whatever time we have left…. Sometimes miracles happen when under pressure… so will see!
Today, I sort of had my Christmas before the actual date. Just had a delivery of photobooks that I had ordered. In prime position, Cypher from our friend Charles Peterson. I said this already when I was staying at David’s place that the book is great, so now, I have my own opy… I remember David saying that if photographers were buying each other’s book, they would be fine…well, I am practicing this right now with utmost pleasure as Cypher is really powerful. Great B&W medium format. Great quality of printing….Must have been interesting to shoot these moves with such a camera Charles!!!!! Charles worked on for 6 years and this shows…so many great shots… Back to my initial complaint, I wish I had a few more months for working my essay :):)::. Beyond Charles’ book (by the way published by Powerhouse like “Living Proof” from David!!!!) I also got a couple others, all great books. “Vanishing Breed” from Allard is really an interesting one that I had not seen before…Lance, I am sure that you know this one but if you do not, get yourself a copy! It is on topic….cowboy and the west all over!!!! Last one is “Black in America” from Reed. Another very good choice!!!! Nothing more satisfying that discovering books…
Anyway, I am going to stop rumbling for now…. I wish you all a Meery Christmas and holiday break!!!! Take lots of great pictures from your celebrations!
Cheers,
Eric
this looks great! I as well was a little bit sad to “move on” from the old site and bookmark this one as the new “to go to” website…but its great (thanks! anton, DAH, and crew) and Anton’s Sugar images are very very very nice…my family has been touched by diabetes and my wife works in Public Health so she is affected by it as well and this essay was a very touching and different way to look at it…very moving, thanks again Anton and DAH.
Happy Holidays.
DAVID I will be sending a selection of images (my 40 edits) to you by the end of the first week in Jan.
~ Chris H
ERIC….
you are under no pressure whatsoever to publish your essay now…yes yes, take another six months or whatever you need…i do think that probably you will not really need that much time, but you be the judge of when you are finished…it might be nice to have your work published now under “work in progress” instead of as a final essay…do you have saved all of the online dialogue between us??? as we mentioned in New York, i do think the “behind the scenes” conversation between us would be of great interest to our readers here…anyway, Eric, you decide….this is your baby….i may push you, but i would never rush to publish before you or anyone has totally realized their efforts….
now, Patricia is also not finished shooting, but she has chosen to publish a “teaser” now…again, this is HER choice…i think she sees this as an opportunity to be seen even though more pictures will come before she starts looking for a publisher this spring….
i sure am missing those magic days in New York……
cheers, david
DAVID,
No worries! I am really not feeling the pressure from you to publish, on the contrary. I am also totally “cool” with showing work that may not be finished. As a matter of fact, many have seen the essay progress over time on the blog and many have provided very valuable feedback so the pressure does not come from that. Pressure if any would come from the clock…. As I was saying, the time I have to spend in Cinci being able to hang around with these kids is counted and therefore, I sense this story is coming to an end while, ideally, I would have liked to carry on for longer as I feel there is more to be done on this topic than what I have already got. Having said this, I remember what you said that it is also good to put a time frame on your work so I have a narrow window left and will make the most out of it…
Regarding the essay, I will most certainly put together the exchanges we have had to share as “behind the scenes”. I have already started putting this together. I will also take your advice to put an actual slideshow together with music etc and will send it to you when ready… Technology and I are not friends but worse come to worse, I will bug Anton physically early March…after all, I may as well benefit from living next to him in Belgium (he will soon wish I was on a different planet) :):):):)…We all have seen the man knows how to habdle tech stuff. I am still in awe of the site he has developed for us all.
New York was indeed very magical… the place itself, the creativity… I felt like I was in a bubble for a few days… Moments like that is what make this little adventure so worth it….
Anyway, have a great time with the family!
Cheers, Eric
Well I don’t have ‘Vanishing Breed’ but certainly I know about it. Just the other day I read Allard’s rodeo chapter in ‘Portraits of America’ and it was like a punch to the gut. I think it was the same day David asked me to get my text in order for ‘Thirst for Grit’. Shit, Allard is a poet and he’s written this beautiful little piece with fantistic pictures on…. you guessed it, rodeo. I know my project is different but I kinda wish I hadn’t seen that right then.
I jump back a few posts… I must agree x Claudius. Burn is not really for a 13 inch screen. You do have to scroll down to see the whole home page or the single pics. A bit annoying considering the really neat layout otherwise. You’d be surprised at how fast the owners of large screens plugged into megabytes of bandwidth forget about the majority: those with smaller screens and a rickety ADSl connection. Usually those on the other side of Digital Divide are the ones who are most isolated and lack the kind of upscale information sites like burn will provide. I for example have seen about one twentieth of the Magnum Inmotion essays. The others just take too much time to download.
Where do I start? I better start by relaxing and wishing everyone a very happy & merry Christmas!!! Apart from the general mood, 2009 will be full of beautiful chances – just look at this place here! – and if I have a wish for all of us than that we keep cool enough to not let them pass by unnoticed. I really believe in this! And I really hope for all of us!
As to myself, I am just very, very happy right now – and I could just start right over praising this wonderful community we have here. This time it goes in direction of Bob, Eric and especially JOE!!! They allowed me to brainstorm and ping-pong my thoughts around and always came up with a good question or two that would help me clarify my mind. In Germany you have the saying, that someone sometimes “cannot see the forest because of all of the trees”. And that was mostly what had happened with me. Once the wheels are turning in the mudhole, you have to take either a new approach or time off. As I hate to take time off, I was kind of getting on peoples nerves by asking, asking, asking. You kind of saw it here. Bob and Eric really took time to write (Eric, I am sorry, I did not manage yet to respond to your last loooong email, but it has been on my mind the last days and it has helped very much) while Joe really pushed things incredibly. What I like about him, is not only the thoughtfullness and sharpness, but that photography somehow seems holy for him. At least that is my impression. He is disappointed if people only go half way, if they do not comply with the demands of their project. I love this!! Mainly because that is how I feel too: If you have a project you have the responsibility to do it the best possible way. Not only because it is your name that is written below, no, for me it feels like a duty, a responsibility towards the subject. A little like being a tool, yourself, responsible for best doing the task that was given to you. I am a little obsessed with this. Maybe more than would be good for me. But … that is how I am. And that is how it is.
So with the help of this community I think (I am sure) I nailed the whole issue now. It will mean I will have to restart. All the portraits from ASW after the workshop (the workshop being something special thus staying in) will have to be redone or … will disappear. It is a pity but it is necessary. And then something (in my eyes) wonderful will replace it. I sound stupid now – please forgive – but it is just that it is fitting like a glove!! It is so much me and so much what I stand for – which was the main reason for me being blind on one eye – that it just gives me the shivers.
Ok. At this point, once again, I have to thank Joe. Thank you Joe!! You gave me this one idea that really help me bridge to a point where I could see again. From that point on it was just very, very easy. Actually it was all there. And you, Joe, handed me over my spectacles – and a piece of cake. Forever thankful I am. I owe you.
so…
Now I NEED my coffee …
Hello guys! Wonderful to see everybody here! Enjoyed very much Sugar, so sweet, so refreshing, so full of emotions.
and really nice website.
and excellent concept.
i will enjoy here further! thanks!
(and as I don’t take pictures for long, i will simply be part of the big lazy silent audience!)
Thanks
jerome
LASSAL…
please do not throw out what you did at the workshop just yet…i think you would be wise to get going on your “new start” and then compare very carefully with what you did so instinctively…i honestly never did understand your frustration with the simplicity of your original idea…BUT, nothing beats just doing it..giving it a try….take your new enthusiasm and put it to practical use…
i would be very anxious to give you some space here for your essay…show us what you mean…mean what you show us….
peace and Merry Christmas, david
Hi there and merry xmas! (I’m already on the rumanian beer and waiting to open the finnish not-really-vodka!)
Nice looking place here, congrats on that. I would have maybe waited till four or five essays were ready for the grand opening, as anton might get a bit of unnecessary flak. Oh well, a great power implies even greater responsability! The slideshows are nice, but as John says, maybe a low-res version or something that could be downloaded would make things easier for many. Apart of the critique (rather complain early when it’s fixable), really looking forwards to see how this evolves!
JOHN VINK…
hmmmm, i am a bit confused…we tweaked out the layout for my 13′ screen and the cover photo and logo just fit on mine with no scroll…what am i missing here?? 75% of the readers here have 15″ or larger, so we were trying to give max layout size without killing the folks with small screens….i have almost zero tech expertise, so please enlighten me on this issue…
cheers, david
JONI…
we thought a lot about how many essays to start with…we finally concluded that since we want “features” to hang on the front page awhile, this was the best way…yes, it will take longer to build up content, but by the first week in january , you will never remember we started with only one story…we may come up with some way to rotate the stories on and off the front page…besides, we are going to give you new singles constantly and the conversations will go on as per always…by the time we get “work in progress” going , there will be a lot to keep you busy here…and, of course, i want a story from you when you are ready…
yes, Anton caught some flak, but was quickly defended in the best way….hey, any of us who “go public” are always set up for criticism….however, i contend that when folks get really harsh instead of constructive, it is most likely they have no body of work themselves….the best way to critique any particular style or story , is to lay down on the table a “counterpoint”…a powerful alternative…cynicism alone is cynicism alone…go read Chris Bickford’s comment under Anton’s essay….the boy nailed it…
cheers, david
Oh, the welcome back thing in the comments is nice…
DAH: cool, so you had it sorted out, I thought I had to be the sober voice of reason as usual ;-) indeed looking forwards to when there’s half a dozen essays up here and how they interact with each other… on the comments, I’m not sure how necessary they are under each story, they sort of make it drag a bit for my taste, maybe if they were less accessible… but you want interactive so you’ll get it! :-D
on slideshows, I have “last orders (cardiff by night)” in a very showable state, I’ve done lots of edits during the last year and one was briefly shown and another part of a slideshow… other stuff, well, I have “the fountains” of which I sent you a single and goes slower, been working on it since may 2007 and I think it’s half way through to something… and now I started “common diaries” that I wouldn’t like to show as it will be quite text heavy (was thinking about how to curate it during each station or so to actually have a physical diary)… of course, I’m open to ideas, though!
i have a small ( not what u think !!! ;-) ) 12′ incher (girls love it !!! )
and i see no problems viewing the site… i have also seen all magnum movies with no problem on downloading times… i also have a bigger 15 inch screen, but i dont see any major difference, except that some dont like it coz it HURTS…
laughing
( sorry , couldn’t help it )
Unless you make the photos smaller, you have to scroll on a 13″ screen. It would be a image size and logo size issue. John Vink’s website is perfect for my 13″ screen, but the pictures are much smaller. I also have a bookmarks bar, tabs and a status bar, so the viewing area is smaller than if I did not those tools in use. Just some thoughts.
Happy Holidays.
TOM LEININGER…
i am listening , but still i do not understand why horizontal pictures show up perfectly on my 13″ laptop without a scroll…i see picture and logo simultaneous….the trend for the new breed of online magazines is to go as large as possible..and we worked hard to make it so that pictures can be viewed full screen for the essay slide shows (click red button lower right hand corner of picture)…i guess it is always a compromise, but my inclination is to play for the larger screens…as i said earlier, 75% of the readers here have a large screen …but, still thinking, thinking…
cheers, david
“Apple”+”-”
The pictures resize along with the text … You will have to check how far you can go and still read.
(sorry, do not remember the keys for pc…. Was it “Ctrl”+”-” … ?)
Or “Apple”+”+” if you want to zoom in.
(or maybe check your screen resolution ?)
The only thing that bothers me is, that I have to type my name/email/website in every time I leave a comment. It would be nice to have a “remember me” button.
ALL….
we are all fucking photographers and this is 200fucking9…
BIGGER IS BETTER..,. we dont need thumbnails…
have u ever tried to watch a movie in an ipod screen..?????
then try the same movie in a theater… see any difference??? i do!!!!
plus Lassal is right… there is one million keybord shortcuts to make it smaller…
the problem is how to make it bigger, god damn it… not smaller..
please, all, get it together….
A 20 inch screen from Samsung is only $120 bucks… and plugs in any laptop…
jesus crisis…!!!!!! enough with all the whining, enough …
this is high end photography… its not mend to be seen in an ipod…..!!!!!!
whats with the swearing?
DAVID …
I’ll leave ASW-Tuscany in. I thought I mentioned it, sorry if I did not. The concept for Tuscany is ok. For a workshop. I felt it needed a larger idea to take it on. I am just talking about the concept here … but the images arise out of it. I cannot push the concept from Tuscany to a point to include people from all over without it looking … completely over the top.
But Tuscany is fine and ok for what it is. I would like to leave it in as the starting point. I personally like to see how things evolved.
Thanks for offering me a place here to show the work. I would be honored. And my work would feel honored too :)
Tuscany as a module is finished as it is. You could have it, if it is round enough for you – after all, it consists of merely 6 portraits.
The rest of ASW will restart now. But … It will be more work than the Tuscany Portraits… It would not be realistic to expect any major group of pictures before summer. But I am sure you will like the idea behind it.
… you probably meant to say : ” what’s with the bitching, whining & moaning?”… right?
Lassal,
I do not have to re-enter my name, mail and site each time I write a comment…. In fact, everytime I come to the “leave a reply” window, there is this phrase for me “Welcome back Ana Yturralde”
haha, i’ve not seen any bitching, whining and moaning to speak of in this thread anyway…
:-)
ben (also liking the welcome back)
Yeah Ana, it is strange. The system welcomes me back too, but then I get an error message when I go onto “submit” and it asks me for my data again … Dunno …
It is just happening again … :/
Ben,
didnt we meet at the C/ville’s airport???
… or maybe i’m wrong???
I was one of the “originals” and I want to be one here too. Congratulations for this great project!…I have to say that I’ll miss the original blog but this one will be even beter!
Un abrazo.
Carlos Rubin
Congratulations on the launch of Burn. Got the feed in my reader and am looking forward to viewing content that rolls in…
As a member of a few niche online communities myself, I think it’s very important to be open to all outside voices and make an effort to avoid collectivist insularity. It can be difficult because the relationships you create with your frequent contacts are often the fuel that propels you in your creative endeavors. But one of the things I’ve learned over the years is that inspiration and insight often comes from unknown sources and people you never thought of….
As creators and consumers of photography, art and life, I think we would be best served if we can evolve the online dialogue and begin to create bridges between the various, unique and interesting communities developing right now.
peace, and best wishes…
Bryan
LASSAL….
yes, i would love to publish the work you did in Tuscany as is..and , of course, i await with great interest where you go from here….you well know my motto is evolution and revolution, so wherever you “travel” i will be keen to be a voyeur…
isn’t there some kind of “remember me” button?? i get “remembered” and so do others..hmmmm, i will check on that one…you, of all people, need to be remembered…i remember you even without a button….
CARLOS…
you are indeed one of the ORIGINALS….i do hope you will come to feel as at home here as on the original blog…please let us know what we can do to make things better…of course, we cannot do everything everyone wants, but i do think things are much easier here..at least for me….many fewer clicks for one thing….be sure to send your favorite pictures….we already have a lot to edit from, but we will always keep an eye out for you amigo….
JONI…
i look forward to Cardiff by Night…we need a strong text as well please…
yes, i too have been wondering about the individual pictures being “blogable”….the idea was that i would only be here under “dialogue” for my comments and the individual photographers would be responsible for responding to whatever comments came their way under their own stories and singles…it seems to work…right now, there are about a 150 comments spread out over Anton’s essay and the singles….and another 140 or so here….which means that some people only want to respond to particular pictures and others prefer a more general chat here…anyway, let’s give it some time to see what happens when there are more essays , more singles etc etc…we can always tweak it out to make the most sense , for most people, most of the time….
cheers, david
re-posting Patricia Lay-Dorsey
December 24, 2008 at 1:39 pm Edit
Happy holidays to all, and may 2009 offer the light, subjects, time & exhibit/book/magazine opportunities you most desire.
If you’d like to give yourself a special gift or 2 or 3 this season, check out Trolley Books at http://www.trolleybooks.com/books.php
Then email Trolley’s managing editor Hannah Watson at hannah@trolleybooks.com
Tell her you’re from David Alan Harvey’s blog and she will give you an amazing 40% discount on your order. Today I received my 3 presents-to-myself and have just finished weeping my way through Paolo Pellegrin’s “Double Blind: War In Lebanon 2006.” Oh my god, what a powerful use of photography, and Scott Anderson’s text is perfect–spare & searing.
My gratitude to Trolley’s founding editor, Gigi Giannuzzi, for letting his gut reaction to Paolo’s photos lead to his publishing this book. DAH described Gigi as a man who “loves [books] so much that he publishes instinctively and without any thought of ‘commercial appeal’…he does not do ‘readership tests’….he goes by his gut and then scrambles like a madman to try to sell enough of his little masterpieces to be able to go on to the next….”
Let’s do what we can to keep him from having to scramble TOO hard! Who knows? Maybe Gigi’s next masterpiece might be by one of our own. Hold that thought…
Patricia
David!
I can’t tell you how much I love the concept of Burn Magazine! Hopefully I will have something soon up to snuff and worthy of publishing here. Until then, I will definitely enjoy the magazine!
Just wanted to thank you for all you do for up and coming photographers. You certainly go above and beyond, and it is appreciated!
Merry x-mas to you and yours!
Ah…and don’t forget…when you roll through Austin you need to come visit me and Eli. Beer, shots and bar-b-q are on me!
Best,
Bill
please, please, look here for superior inspiration
ALL
Man, you drop out for a little while and look what happens! You miss everything. And to think I was still waiting for the second round of “assignments”;-)
What a potentially historic moment. Congratulations to everyone that’s worked so hard to put this all together. Well well done!
I’m burried in snow here in Southern Maine, so I hope all are having a holiday season, where ever you may be.
abrazos,
Charlie
http://charliemahoney.net
P.S. DAH- Love the selected photographs section and the bocce photo. As a photographer it must be nice to know that you can confidently hand the camera over to a family member and not get a photo of their finger;-) Clearly, talent runs in the family.
wow – what can i say… amazing. when david said he was closing the blog for an online magazine – i was a bit sad… but this is incredible. i knew i should not doubt david’s vision. this is very exciting! anton, and all – you did an amazing job. kelly – love the title Burn!
i am in california with my family – having a relaxing time (after i went to the wrong airport and missed my flight…). back in dc this weekend – then nyc for new years!!
happy holidays to my BURN family!
Okay, folks, it is time for me to stop hiding here in the egregious mold pit wherein I while away the hours until my death and return to hearth and home, kith and kin, there to partake of the Christmas spirit and share the blessings of the season with those nearest and dearest to me, and I think I can say, from the bottom of my heart, that I wish that every one of those mooching bastards was somewhere else. As I seem to be the one stuck with these clowns, I am going to do my best to be of good cheer and pray for a speedy end to the season. I think I can say, and with no fear of contradiction, that Ebeneezer Scrooge was a deeply misunderstood man. In any case, I wish all here a very Merry Christmas, a Happy Hanukah, and a Happy and Prosperous New Year for us all. And I know that I speak for everyone when I say that I am sending all the best holiday wishes I can for Burn magazine. May it Burn down the house in 2009, preferably with as many of my relatives, their friends, and their annoying pets as I can pack inside the door.
So much has happened in the last few weeks. The name is great–the concept exciting. I am way behind on the comments but wanted to offer my congratulations as well as sending wishes for a very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all. So wonderful to be entering 2009 with BURN in place–ready to show great work and touch hearts around the world.
David, all
Peace in your heart to all of you burn
Feliz Navidad y Prospero año nuevo
sorry for my english
DAH: I’ll start editing when I get back to Cardiff in January and work on a couple of pieces of text with a friend. I’m not keen on captions (I like them at the end of a book), but I guess that an introductory text and something in between could work.
JONI
great…i will be waiting..
cheers, david
ALL….
i have been trying to get to Durango, Colorado for three days!!! the weather has not been cooperating and i have been in and out of airports so much that had i been shooting (which i should have done) i might have a story myself on Christmas at the airport…
in any case, giving it another try this morning…which means i will be offline all day….so many of you have uploaded some very interesting singles and we have several essays almost ready to go…between tomorrow and New Year’s BURN should really have its legs…
peace to all…
cheers, david
Hi David, i think i busted Anton’s essay by leaving too long of a post on it… :-( i’m sorry :-(
DAVID …Thanks!
I will have a look at the tuscany workshop results again and see if there is any way to pack it adequately for here … Have to check on that, because the project is so small in size …
ANTON …
any chance to include a flash-file? Or any other movie file?
BRYAN FORMHALS…
i could not agree more….
i look forward to your input and will be checking out your gallery La Pura Vida as soon as i possibly can (now in travel hell)….please know that BURN is in development….and also please know that my range of appreciation of various photographic styles swings wide..i love the best of any genre..i think you will see this in the coming days and weeks ahead…i also know that i cannot be somebody that i am not..so, what you will see could reflect an overall sensibility not embraced by everyone…
know one thing Bryan…your thoughts and suggestions are most appreciated…the windows are wide open in this house…
cheers, david
all:
merry christmas and happy holidays. i hope you are all well and safe for the holidays!
Merry Christmas one and all…
A wee web design note… a lot of web pages have a little picture that comes up beside the page header in the tab bar of my explorer. Burns is currently just a folded sheet of paper. Anyone got a cool idea of what it should be? A single flame? A lot of flames?
Cheers!
YESTERDAY, shopping for a gift for my wife, my heart got fractured…..
eugene richards new book (his first in color): The Blue Room…
I’d written at the DAH Road Trip blog previously about some of the pics which were showcased in NG this past year….but….jesus, good god….
one of the extraordinary majestic books of the year (2009!)…..after all these books with open, abandoned room (a la Polidori and all the young photogs to which have been chained to this “trend” in imagery), i gotta tell y’all that Blue Room broke my heart open wide….
i need a few days to digest it and write sensibly about the photographs and the book….but….
i’ve been hit hard, real hard…..
the book is, for now, out of my price range, but im targeting it…4 weeks to save the money, then it’s ours….
of all the times to consider what this work means and what we are after as photographers, it is this book…
David, since you’ve got Jim and Steve, how about a preview from Gene?…then i could write like mad under it :)))
call u in a few hours…
running
MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL…
bob
((((((((((((((((((((((from Flickr blog:
Flickr: Discussing DAH’s “Burn” Magazine in Hardcore Street Photography (HCSP)
http://www.flickr.com/groups/onthestreet/discuss/72157611448952567/ )))))))))))))))))))))))))))
from the DAH blog , earlier:
“Bryan Formhals
December 24, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Congratulations on the launch of Burn. Got the feed in my reader and am looking forward to viewing content that rolls in…
As a member of a few niche online communities myself, I think it’s very important to be open to all outside voices and make an effort to avoid collectivist insularity. It can be difficult because the relationships you create with your frequent contacts are often the fuel that propels you in your creative endeavors. But one of the things I’ve learned over the years is that inspiration and insight often comes from unknown sources and people you never thought of….
As creators and consumers of photography, art and life, I think we would be best served if we can evolve the online dialogue and begin to create bridges between the various, unique and interesting communities developing right now.
peace, and best wishes…
Bryan”
now, back to Flickr:
bryanF:
I don’t man, I just don’t share the same taste and sensibility as DAH and Burn.
Kudos for what they’re doing and building but I’m fairly certain it’ll be an automatic delete when it pops up in my RSS feeds.
Posted 2 days ago. ( permalink )
also
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Bravo! Bravo! Excellent work David, Patricia, Anton et al!! I look forward to being near the warmth of the FIRE of BURN…the dialogue, the work, the photographers!
Un baccione from Bracciano!
Simon
dear FN,
and ALL flickr friends out there
Please get involved in our debates and craziness “in” here.
We are not some kind of “bloody elite”
Yes, some of us met DAH.
Yes , some of us mat each other in Look3 or Perp.
But, who cares!
Submit your essays, stories, singles, theories, stories, feuds…
Feed the Fire.
BURN
….laughing,
freudian slip…..
i didn’t mean “MATE”..
i meant “MET”..
peace
laughing
love you all
Way to sum it up…
I want a
“Feed the Fire….Burn Magazine” T-shirt!
“Burn Magazine… Feed the Fire.” I love it.
Merry Christmas too all… and to all a goodnight.
Wow, I get a bit busy at school and there’s a whole new universe created for us! This is a great improvement. Will all the old posts be carried over or saved for reference?
I hope everyone had a safe Holiday this year, and may 2009 be as exciting as this new site is!
Congratulations David and Anton! The site feels great. I look forward to seeing what new developments apear in the future!
Where can I get a burn hat or shirt??
Jason
Very Cool David…Good luck to you and everyone involved. Very exciting indeed!
it is a digression to say this..
love the flat beers and ales of the u.k.
back for a few weeks and david – might be good for a meet?
and on BURN
it’s fantastic to see more voices being expressed here.. more intelligent, irrelevant, interested and indiscreet voices. already seen new work from photographers i had not heard of and enjoying greatly the varied discourse on this and that..
if there is one thing which burn and the EPF now needs it is to bring the VERY BEST of photography to the fore.. emerging as we all are on every commission into a new territory with unseen dangers and unseen rewards. so.. let the PDN, FLICKR, and whoever else direct people here.. and if they have the balls to speak their mind, show their souls on paper and nurture the gathered animals then burn has indefinite life, and with that the infinite capacity to grow beyond all expectations..
so..
best get my work edited finally, photos thrown into the pot and fingers crossed for an essay feature.. after all, what else is there to do?
yeah?
dya geddit?
flickr is such a stoopid name.
anton or who knows..
what is going on with RSS here?
i clicked the one at the bottom and that takes me only to the rss for the front photo, while i cannot find one for the ‘discussion’ posts..
am i being stoopid?
was the pope in hitler youth and does he wear prada?
merry christmas all..
david
i sit and stare at my box of Provia… it’s this excitement, this burning desire to photograph, that keeps me going… makes the bullshit of ‘every day’ stuff bearable… Can’t wait to share my images that are yet to be made.. Just finished a 10 year project that finalized itself in a documentary film… still learning.. but Burn has me inspired, and I can’t wait to share some of my work- the beginning of a new project… want to feed the fire…. **
David B
Pope/youth questions beats me but I do know for a fact it is prada he admires the most. But I think you wanted to phrase the question as “Is he a he or ….”.
The link is on the bottom of the page – it’s the “Comments Feed”
The actual address to that feed is https://www.burnmagazine.org/comments/feed/
Merry Christmas All and Happy New Year !!!
Panos–some of us “mate” at Look3??
I wouldn’t know, I missed the naked pool party…
Harvey, did you ever make it to Durango?
Well DAVID,
I have worked hard over the past days…. Managed to learn how to use a simple audio editing softare and I have finally assembled some of the coversations I have had with the boxers for my “Lords of the Ring” essay. I have prepared this with music, sound from the gym and the slideshow is ready to be sent…. There is hope in this world. First time ever I do this :):):):) and hopefully, it is a format that Anton will be able to read… Hope you like it.
Going to bed now….
Cheers,
Eric
Hello David, Hello all,
I just have been out of it a bit and all of a suddend find these amazing changes!!
This website looks amazing. Still figuring out how it all works, but it’s like a little treasuretrove already.
Happy holidays everyone and a great 2009 to all.
Hugs, Wendy
Hey David,
I know you are vacationing and having travel issues. I just want to make sure you got my emails.
Safe travels and Happy Holidays!
PETE..
yes, i wanted you to post the email here about screen resolution etc if you can please.
CHRIS…
made it to Durango Christmas evening..3 days after the start of trip!!!
ERIC…
good for you…i am anxious to publish your story…i am trying to decide how often i want an essay and singles…i do not want to commit yet on either until i really get a feel for how much material i will have…i think there are 6 essays almost ready to go…pacing will be everything….i could probably do singles every day, but think i will go every other day to see how it all feels…
DAVID BOWEN…
so pleased YOUR voice is back….and i would welcome work from you anytime…either singles or essay…let me know your wishes please…
WENDY…
nice to hear from you…wondered where you were….i should be in London soonest, so i hape we meet again…
JASON…
the original t-shirt post was sort of a joke, but i think we will put up a store to buys books, prints, and yes t-shirts too..why not?? t-shirt money will go to EPF etc etc…i figure if the Museum of Modern Art and the Tate sell t-shirts , we can too…besides, i want one!!!.check back soonest…
TONY SKATER…
welcome my friend….send me some pictures, videos etc of skating ….and, i will be moving soonest to OBX, so i hope you can give me a hand…hey, i am trying to create jobs!!!
cheers, david
Am I imagining things or was there a time when both the essay and single photo were displayed on the home page at the same time? Now they seem to alternate…
DAH
i’m in england and intending to get some drum scans done.. will email a bunch of suggestions for singles tomorrow..
also going to be entering MILK.. so perhaps i will send the entry photos for you to choose from?
one more ALSO – david.. i am here in england until 9th january – please let me know if you’re over and a meet-up might be workable.. would be special..
all..
this is a great post on BJP about up-comming competitions..
competitions are something i have always avoided.. going more for commissions instead.. but lets face it – competitions seem to be able to get us all further than commissions in a sense.. so i reckon get on to them..
check here.
http://www.1854.eu/2008/12/diary_competitions.html
David B,
i agree… competitions should be able to take us further…
peace
The MILK-link on the website is not correct … it is this one:
http://www.freshmilkphotos.com/
and the deadline has been extendet to 28 February 2009 … So if anybody else is interested in the awesome prize, there still is some time. :)
The MILK-link on the website is not correct … it is this one:
http://www.freshmilkphotos.com/
and the deadline has been extendet to 28 February 2009 … So if anybody else is interested, there still is some time.
Weired
my post disappeared and now I have got the old one twice …
Well …
I wanted to thank David B for the link – as I was searching for some competitions too.
And … I was complaining about the age restrictions on most competitions. As if age did matter for a good photo … I do not get this.
DAVID BOWEN…
i am always confused about exactly where you are…so, now U.K.??? yes, i should be there in january if you are still around…yes, commissions better than contests…i am hoping however the EPF will turn into commissions…commissions for shooting here and for a print magazine…yes, dreamland…but , circumstances could be lining up as such…
cheers, david
LASSAL…
do not forget the EPF…i am NOT a jury member, since i am choosing the jury and have mentored many of the photographers who will be entering…the format for entering this year will be a book format which should be great for you…anyway, details to follow soonest….
cheers, david
All….
David has asked that I repost the email I recently sent to him about screen resolutions:
David,
I was trying to follow a conversation on the magazine so I may have missed something, but am I correct in saying that
some people are having problems seeing all of parts of the site without scrolling.
It is not just a function of the screen size. I also depends on the screen resolution settings.
For instance I have a MacBook with a 15 inch screen, but I have the screen resolution set to the highest possible… 1280×800 pixels.
The other settings that I can have it set to though are listed below…
640×480
640×480 stretched
800×500
800×600
800×600 stretched
1024×640
1024×768
1024×768 stretched
1150×720
Of course everything looks different depending on the settings. Monitors resolution options are a function of video card memory and software.
You may want to look at these two sites for more info….
http://www.thescreamonline.com/technology/monitor/monitor_res.html (general info about resolutions)
http://www.screenresolution.org/ (this site will tell you the number of people using different resolutions and will tell you your settings.)
Hope this helps anyone having troubles. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me at pete@petemarovichimages.com
DAVID …
not sure what I should enter to the EPF at present time … Can only restart working on “A Stranger’s Wish” in February … “2 cents” is merely to keep me from exploding … It tells no story … only shows a wandering & wondering eye. Nothing for EPF, I would say, more something for a “snaps”-competition :)
… and I am still writing letters for “Meaning” to get access to the places I need to go to. Tough nut!
Hah, just discovered that Nine Inch Nails had a song called Burn in the soundtrack of Natural Born Killers:
we need some fucking music here y’all…..
sorry, meant this
DAH
okay – i will be in england until jan 9th.. then back to norway.. back again in england between 19th and 29th (or thereabout).. :o)
Sorry for the late notice but the deadline is January 1, 2009 for the Hearst 8×10 Biennial Competition.
http://www.hearst8x10.com/contest.html
ALL…
new post coming this afternoon…please note that now you may write directly beneath the comment to which you are referring…just see “reply” button…my oh my does this make life easier…also note that clicking on the BURN logo takes you to “home page” no matter where you are…also, more info now under “submissions” on home page…new essays coming this week…..and good singles will be published whenever i get my hands on good singles…i do not know about you, but i feel like going out and shooting for this site…
back soonest…
cheers, david
LASSAL…
my oh my , it is a full time job just keeping you enthusiastic about you!!! you are a talented photographer with a terrific project….the world is so full of mediocre photographers pushing mediocre work….so please please keep your confidence going my friend….we need you!! and by the way, i do not care if it is a full time job!!!! i will do it!!
hugs, david
David
Yes, the “reply” button make it easier for sure, but also it will be difficult fallow after all comments. But this is not important, BURN will grow up anyway. There will be many paths in one time, like veins, or maze.
I have to say I am little confused, I am “road trip” child and it is not easy to jump into your new site for me. Too many pages, too many threats. But soon I will be like fish in ocean I suppose.
I had many thoughts last time about photography and about world, but my damn language skills and my chaotic mind just make my thoughts useless. As usually.
So I will wait for new post.
take care.
peace
Let me try this…just for fun.
David, Are you seeing all the comments being made throughout the site thru a feed as you did with road trips? I posted a question under Sugar…it was appropriate to post it there but am curious to know if only the more current threads will be seen or if it all gets sent to you.
A great feature BTW.
CATHY….
yes, i can see everything at once, if that is your question…and this is so nice to be able to answer directly to you so so easily…i am a bit behind, but i will catch up later today…i am trying to get all of the essays edited….just posted Panos, so we will see how that goes!!!
cheers, david
MARCIN..
well, we can change everything depending on how everyone feels…remember, we did the same with “road trips”?? at one time it was four blogs and we cut it down to one…this is a bit different….my plan is not to comment on the posted pictures..or rarely anyway…it is the photographer’s job to comment on his or her own pictures…you can take it or leave it Marcin
however, the new “dialogue” is the old “road trips”…we can even change the name back to “road trips” if you want…the whole “road trips” archive is here….if you want to comment to everyone, you can go to the bottom and do as usual..but, now this was so easy..i saw a comment you made specifically to me and i can quickly comment back…i might have skipped it before because it would have taken me at least 5 minutes and 5 clicks more to do what i can do right here so so easily…i just do not see any downside….but, you input valued, so tell me , tell me…
you are one of the ORIGINALS, so i want to keep you happy…but , please tell me you can be happy with this!!!
cheers, david
MARCIN…
plus, my friend , you can quickly see in recent comments if i answered you or not..right??? try Marcin try…this is much much easier…the other way was a maze…this is clear..isn’t it??
cheers, david
This site is awesome!
marcin…
plus also at the bottom of the page you can click on the posts feed and the comments feed… which is super great if you’re using firefox or a newsreader…. then you can see the recent comments appear without even refreshing the page you are on…
or safari, of course :)))
David
The Burn is just fine for me. I just have to jump into. I need some time.
Like I said I will be like fish in water soon.
The most important thing in “road trip” was disscusion, that’s why one blog was fine, but here everything must grow up in own way. Everything must evolve. And I have to evolve.
I am not a blogger, I am child of road trip… :)
And if you want make me happy… just keep it grow. It is worth.
DAVID …
thanks so much for your uplifting words … I think I am “too” demanding. At the end I am making photos since when? Since merely a couple of months! And I only really began with it when I came back from your workshop last August. So I should give myself a chance, I know.
There is this huge gap between what I see that I do and what I see that I am after. And I am always sure everybody else can see this gap of mine too. And this gap kinda hurts … That is maily why I am reluctant.
I really should have tried to get an edit-audition with you in the past :)
(“reply” is a nice feature indeed – thanks Anton)
DAVID,
What an evening I had yesterday…. After spending virtually two days editing my boxing work, learning how to do a slideshow, also edit sound of some conversations I had, getting it all done ready to send it to you and Anton, I ended up checking the site of the Ohio boxing federation to see if there was any upcoming event or competition that I should try to attend (as I said before, my days before March 1 are now counted)… By luck, I found that there was a big event with PROs and amateurs as happening that very same evening…. I hesitated a lot as this was happening in a big basketball stadium with some Pros and I was fearing that there would be no way for me to get close to the boxers but, after many back and forths, I went and I had the most amazing evening…. First, by the time I got there, after all this time that I have spent in the different gyms of the city, everyone knows me by now… Within minutes of me getting there, some of the trainers and amateurs boxers got in into the locker room unopened to the public and reserved for the fighters and the trainers… was amazing to see the boxers get dressed prior to the fights, concentrate, motivate themselves for the big fight… combination of fear, stress and arrogance to impress… talked with many of the rappers, often friends of the boxers and who come to rap for their freinds at the start of their fights when the boxer goes to the ring… what an atmosphere! I also ended up being able to talk as well with some boxing legends like Aaron Pryor who was there as his son is a promising pro who was also fighting that night…. I took a few pictures of father and son…. great great night all round with I hope some of the best pictures I have taken so far…. so back home, after getting excited by a few of the shots which hopefully you will like, I ended up thinking that it would make a lot of sense to try to integrate these into my essay…so, bottom-line, unless you would pefer me to send you what I have already done, I might take a week or so to the new stuff edited and integrated…
Cheers,
Eric
David, is there a way to be notified by email that someone has responded to something you wrote and have a link that takes you to the thread with a link in the email? Also a search (google searches work well) to be able to find old conversations might be helpful. I am excited and have a great feeling about this new site!
ERIC…
sounds like a great break for you …of course, take your time…..never never rush to publish…
cheers, david
Eric that’s awesome! I’ve had simmular experiences like that and it’s a great feeling to know you’ve made those relationships. I think David would agree that if you are good to them in return those relationships may last a lifetime. This experience might be a signal to do a longer term story that continually develops? What do you think?
Hi David,
Im sorta ready to submit but not 100%. I have a 36 photo edit ready as well as the text and will be processing my files which will take a week or so to do. I was wandering if you wanted to maybe look at it and give me some last minute suggestions before it goes over to you.
I could post the set here for you to look but maybe it would be better done by e-mail? You have my email anyway, I think I have yours.
JASON,
I would certainly have considered a longer term story but as I said to some before, unfortunately, my stay in Cincinnati is coming to an end in March. I am heading back to Europe so as you can imagine, it will be impossible for me to carry on with this particular story. This is also why I have a great sense of urgency for the remaining few weeks and hopefully will make the most of it… If only I could have a few more nights like last Saturday, I would be well on my way but those occasions are rare…. As far as my relationship with the boxers, I have been fortunate to develop some true friendship with some of them….. Will keep you posted on how the story is progressing. Hopefully will have an edit on the coming week or two. Thanks for your question.
Erioc
RAFAL…
i do not have your e-mail….send a note to my AOL account please or to the submissions post here….i have been wanting to hear from you…ready to look at your final….i love that essay….
cheers, david
Oh my god ! JINJU from Flickr is here.
I respect your work JINJU. i have expanded my photographic horizons since i have seen your work mr.
JINJU. I love your work sir.
ben
By ongoing I didn’t mean it had to be consistant. I was thinking more along the lines of a long term greater story that keeps you coming back to the states to study it. Have a safe trip home I look forward to seeing your final edit.
David,
my e-mail is jinjuralph@gmail.com
I have still been shooting but mostly struggling with a sequence. As I told you before, I wanted to get 35 images after a year of shooting, and I worked hard to try and edit down to a tight edit, and it happened to end up at 36. Send me an e-mail and Ill respond with a url to the tight edit and the looser edit (35 vs 80 or so images) and maybe you could give me your feeling about the result.
just for the record – thats not me. another impostor.
i think it would be useful to have a login system for the comments on this blog, that only allows a single use of a username. this would prevent confusion and impostors seeking to cause friction.
Yes, Ben I agree. I think it could be rather simple to do. Taking an example from Too Much Chocolate (a blog) where you have to provide some information about yourself before you are allowed to participate in the discussions. I think that providing your real name, an e-mail address and a link to your work could be required. Atleast then you could cut down a lot on these anonymous impostors posing as others or simply posting anonymously. Its a thought to consider after some of what I saw under the previous essays. Anonymity is for cowards.
I feel the need to go off topic again…[note the clever use of ellipsis there; if DAH can ellipsize here, so can I. I’ll even throw in a good neologism while I’m at it…
David Axelrod misspoke. That is what the former junior Senator from Illinois’ transition team says about Mr. Axelrod’s statement that the transition team discussed who the next junior Senator from Illinois would be with the soon to be former Governor of Illinois and they are sticking to that position come hell or new revelations. Five will get you ten, of course, that Mr. Axelrod didn’t know he was misspeaking when he made the statement in the first place—he was simply answering a reporter’s question at the time—but events have overtaken Mr. Axelrod and his response. Events are like that.
Politicians misspeak a lot these days, so much so that you’d think that misspeaking is all the rage in the nation’s capital, the way the Hula-Hoop or the Pet Rock once were. Misspeaking is not exactly the same as lying, of course; lying has that ugly air of purpose about it, an air that might lead your average voter to conclude that his local solon was deliberately trying to deceive him. Lying is cold and hard, while misspeaking is as soft and fuzzy as a teddy bear and much more open to positive interpretation.
Misspeaking is, in its essentials, much more like using the passive voice. Most students don’t learn much about the passive voice in school today, which is understandable once you remember that public education in this our Great Republic is a governmental responsibility and what government wants to answer inconvenient questions from the citizenry? None that I know of, and if you don’t teach the kids about the passive voice in the first place, they’ll never know when you’re using it when these same kids grow up and have to cough up their hard-earned tax dollars to pay the Big Three automakers to lose money. Now just in case you haven’t heard yet, the passive voice occurs in a sentence where the subject is the object of the verb, as in the gun was left in the car, but not the cannolis. You’ll notice that you don’t know who left the gun in the car and if you’re smart you won’t ask, and this is the reason politicians and civil service types love the passive voice. It is easier, much easier, for a politician to say that errors were made in the implementation of this policy than it is for the pol to get up and say, I screwed up big time here, folks, I’m sorry. People who screw up lose their bids for re-election; errors made in the implementation of a policy are the gremlins’ fault, when it isn’t the fault of the international Communist conspiracy.
The problem politicians have with the passive voice is that there are still enough people who recognize the beast when the pols trot it out to explain their latest disaster. What our lawmakers really need in cases like this is a way to lie through their teeth without looking actually looking like they’re lying. And thus we come to the ever-growing popularity of misspeaking.
What gives misspeaking its peculiar power is that the listener knows the pol is lying—he is, after all, a politician, and politicians lie when they inhale and when they exhale, when they eat and when they excrete, when they…well, you get the point—but the listener can’t tell just how this guy is jerking them around. A misspeak, beyond being something all pilots want to do, could be a flat-out lie or a simple mistake or a statement someone made without knowing there was a wiretap in the room or even just someone’s half-baked opinion and not at all the official policy of the government of the United States, no matter how many times you read it in the New York Times, which, just as an aside, likes to use the passive voice to plant unannounced editorials in the middle of its news coverage. Just thought I’d stick that in so you’d know what those guys are up to. Now, if you could combine the passive voice with a really good misspeak, the Air Force could accidentally set off a nuke in downtown Denver and then say that the Broncos were responsible for the disaster.
Given the immense popularity of misspeaking amongst politicians, it’s only a matter of time before misspeaking catches on with the public at large. Taxpayers could misspeak on their tax returns, husbands could misspeak about cheating on their wives, and their kids could misspeak about their grades, i.e. Mom, I misspoke when I said I was getting a B in math this semester. Misspeaking could get big, really big, I think, the kind of big that gets its own reality show, unless, that is, you already count C-Span as that reality show. They could change the format around though, and bring in better looking people; the ugly old clowns they’ve got in there now are just so miscast it’s not funny. I mean, really, Nancy Pelosi? Whose idea was that, for crying out loud? Isn’t Paris Hilton available these days?
Yes, I see a tremendous fortune in misspeaking. The opportunities in misspeaking on Wall Street are just too rich to think about and, better yet, the Democrats are returning to the White House. Republicans don’t misspeak as well as Democrats, for reasons that defy explication, although the media holding the Republicans to a different rhetorical and grammatical standard than Democrats might have something to do with it. Lyndon Johnson misspoke so often he opened a credibility gap several miles wide in Pennsylvania Avenue and Bill Clinton misspoke so often he couldn’t keep track of all his misspeaks and so ended up parsing the word is in public. Jimmy Carter tried to misspeak, but he wasn’t convincing as a misspeaker and had to rely on being wishy-washy instead.
Ronald Reagan was the only good Republican misspeaker in recent years, primarily because he’d convinced himself that he wasn’t misspeaking at all; the Bushes, both 41 and 43, weren’t and aren’t very good at it; there’s just something about misspeaking that offends the old New England Puritan spirit, I think; and Richard Nixon was positively horrible at it. Whenever Ron Ziegler, Nixon’s press secretary, needed to misspeak he’d say his previous statements were inoperative, which only made Nixon sound guilty as hell. That he was guilty as hell is not the point here; the entire point of misspeaking is that you never sound like you’re not telling the God’s honest truth as you know it right at this instant. And if it isn’t the God’s honest truth, well, you just misspoke, that’s all. No harm in that, is there?
akaky-dad: u da man!…:)))
DAVID:…MAYBE by end of January (once we get all kinks worked out and you move to your new Castle by the Surf ;)) ), we can start literary contributions too….i cant wait to read a post-inaugural jam by Dad-Akaky….
running
hugs
bob
Okay, I don’t want to sound like the grammar scold here, but under Upcoming Events Burn magazine promises the following:
“Events of interest to readers here will soon be posted…”
As an English sentence, the above is clumsier than a toddler two minutes after he takes his first toke off the hash pipe. First, “events of interest to readers here?” As opposed to announcing events of interest to readers on the Aryan Nations website?
“Events of interest to our readers will be posted here soon.” [in the passive voice, but that’s okay in this case]
“Events of interest to readers will soon be posted here”
“We will be posting information about events of interest to readers here soon.”
Any of these will work better than the ungainly construction that’s there now. Now that I have thoroughly destroyed everyone’s good modd with this nitpicking, I will go eat a cookie.
You can’t wait to read such a thing? I can’t see why, really; after 1/20 we’re all going to be in the same post-inaugural jam together and wondering how to get out of it.
And I should learn to proofread before hitting the submit button. Modd is, of course, a typo for mood, just as discrete and discreet sound the same but don’t mean the same thing. The latter has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of either this or my previous post, but I felt the need to share and so I have. You are not, however, getting any cookies.
observations on burn.
well.. i think generally it’s going really well.. i love the increased number of people commenting.. the new photography and frequentcy of it, to which i will contribute.. and the new bias the chatter is taking towards a less sycophantic direction.
i hate the word BUT, but..
the name stealing is really getting to be crap.. and i don’t think it needs a subscription service to beat it.. i think there are indications as to who is responsible and i think someone here knows who is up to it.. so stop it.. stop it yourself, if it is you, or stop it yourself, if you know the perpetrator.
as i read it above – it’s through flickr.. so.. it seems ben is the agent provoker and representative from the dubiously named HCSP group on flickr.. so.. ben.. what can be done to sort it out without spoiling the general air or tolerance and respect so many have worked hard to build here?..
ALL,
i dont know what u guys think at this point… but this “BURN” shit is getting “bigger & bigger” every single day… its been 2 days now that im trying to keep up with all the comments ( from Katharina’s photo page also … damn Kat, and i thought i was stirring the pot… yeah right… )
laughing…
thank u all asking questions & stuff, i try to catch up with every tiny question… i feel bad ignoring anyone that had the kindness to watch my VENICE slideshow… please watch it again,
but please get thew latest ( free ) firefox version because friends informed me that the music stops in the middle of the song in some earlier versions of Safari…. sorry about that….
Again, i cant believe all the FEEDBACK ( my email is full also.. )
I’m so flattered … i feel like a little girl…
i wanna cry… Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ok… enough… of me … going back to my bubble….
you are a girl.
:o)
Akaky…I couldn’t find the neologism.
And I find it amazing that the term neologism itself was coined in 1803.
I have an entire tin of gingersnaps. you are all welcome to some.
Competition on VEWD
Vewd – For documentary photographers
http://vewd.org/index.php/photo/talented_judges
http://www.markpower.co.uk/index.cfm?g=1
Click on the “sound of two songs” essay.
DAVID BOWEN…
i am with you my friend….please remember we are still only 6 days old….so, surely we have a few little “bumps”….as you well know, i am basically against any kind of censorship , but maybe my web naivete´ will lose out to some form of reasonable practicality…i always assume the best of people..i have also been burned because of this..i remember once having a sort of “open door” policy to a party in my college apartment once, only to have my camera stolen, the windows broken etc etc…so, i will remain just as open as i can possibly be and yet keep my old friends like you around…dissent yes, civility yes….
please please send me some work amigo…i know your work and would like to have some of it here…i think we have a chance on our BURN to change the game…instead of complaining about the state of affairs, let’s re-invent the state of affairs…get ourselves out shooting and having our work appear the way we want and with a bit of constructive critique from those with a discerning eye and provocative wit and intelligence…
wishing you a very Happy New Year with your new family…all health and happiness…the photos can come later…
cheers, david
AKAKY…
my clumsy mistake (will fix it now if i can remember how)…hey my friend, i keep telling you that YOU are THE wordsmith of BURN…well, yes, Bob Black gives you a run for sure, sometimes Sidney, Tom Hyde and ???..
thank goodness my mother does not see my online preparations…she was an English teacher and i cannot even to this day get through dinner without being corrected on one thing or another…why do you think i picked up a camera???
Happy New Year amigo…
cheers, david
Hey David
Let me know by email when you may have some time to chat. I have a few BURN observations and an idea for a project I would like to bounce off of you. Or just give me a call if you still have my number.
If I do not speak to you before… Happy New Year.
No run here. Akaky is the parrot and we are merely teeth.
no Hyde, you are THE WALRUS ;)))))))))))))…and im the EGGMAN! ;))))))
yea, but akaky is the real Parrot-dentist, now fucking doubt!
hugs, running
b
Andrew, I am fairly certain that ellipsize is a neologism, although I could be wrong about that. If I am, well, I misspoke again, didnt I?
That’ right, guy, make me look like a cheap bastard.
“Events of interest to readers here will soon be posted”
Dad-Akaky, ;))))))….that sentence clumsy???…what about your variant: “We will be posting information about events of interest to readers here soon”…since when did future continuous ever come across as agile for an unspecified act? ;)))))…and, moreover, it mimic’s the passive voice, that makes it even peculiarly clumsy (see, they hammered all these finer aspects (and voice) into me behind the deli counter in cleveland, you know, the place u dumped off me and Lisa)….now, though i am a writer, my sentences have never been known for their grammatical finesse (i was saved from catholic nun english teachers when u dropped us off in cleveland), so i do not wish to press too keenly this issue of syntax, particularly since Burn’s grammatical morphology is left in tack (which is more important dad?)….
so, i’ll offer a simpler variation:
“Coming Soon: future events.”
Now, i know you are stunned, ’cause brevity nor precision has ever been a finer part of my prose’ stitching, but I seek to amend that this beloved new 2009.
I hope u approve :))))
hugs
bob
ps. Akaky, will you know give me a ginger snap to go with my Mamosa
“behind the deli counter in cleveland, you know, the place u dumped off me and Lisa)…”
jesus, is that ever an ugly sentence….ok, a revision:
behind the deli counter in cleveland, you know, the place at which u dumped off me and Lisa…
You know, I should have stayed in that deli for a little while longer than I did and made sure that they were not pulling my leg about that whole kielbasa thing. Still, simpler is better and yours works better than mine.
but dad, as i’ve said before, i do not begrudge (a word whose etymology is an elips’d variation of the passive voice construction, see what mamosa’s bring out) your act of drive-by deli drop off….it made me the mad lunatic i am (and u cant imagine how many 19th century russian novels i got to read behind that counter, i mean who the hell appreciates a good deli in cleveland anyway, so, business was slow but my education swift and deep)…so….well see what David things ;)))…some how the original sentence looks cozy here at burn….all messy and pulpy inside ;))))
hugs dad
your son
bob
ps. marina and i were talking: when we come to ny again, i’d like to give u a gift (russian lit), but maybe that will wait to summer….time we re-united :))
ps. i can give u a walking tour of William Kennedy’s albany, if u live near there….running, ur son…b ps. now re-reading Besy (demons) u gotta re-read dostoevsky in the new translation…by the way your namesake, gogol too…these 2 are saints:
richard pevear and larissa volokhonsky
their gogol is brilliant…wait until u read this new version of Overcoat….(unless, u madman, read it po-russkie)
Those interested in the surge of interest in parrots and their effect on modern dentistry may go here for an explanation of the phenomenon:
http://passingparade.blogspot.com/2008/04/parrots-and-their-uses-you-may-not-have.html
behind the deli counter in cleveland, you know, the place where you dumped Lisa and me.
but that’s just my opinion
Mr. Harvey,
thank you for the kind words about being the wordsmith here, but I think Bob rates that and not me, as his contributions usually have something to do with photography and its underlying philosophy and mine do not. Happy New Year.
PS. Am I wrong in assuming that being THE wordsmith at a photography site is an honor roughly akin to being the deli manager at a vegetarian supermarket?
swift and deep? is deep a meatpacking company too?
Whoops, forgot the ;-)
It wouldnt do to have people think I’m being serious here
hi david bowen
i just found this comment. kind of offensive. last time i checked i was posting without hiding my identity. i contribute to discussions on flickr and burn without hiding my identity.
i don’t have the time, energy or inclination to encourage people to “troll”.
i think you should calm down a bit and stop finger pointing/making up conspiracy theories. perhaps take yourself a little less seriously, and maybe go take some photographs?
regards,
Ben
i am geting hooked on this site. I am not even joking…
I have seen road trips and I gotta admit it was and is still inspiring.
Specially the way it’s presented, a slide show + the media part with the music.
An essay becomes 200 times more interesting like that.
hey ben.. i simply mean´t that through the flickr group you may have known who was making up the names.. finger pointing at you was not intended.
quite calm, always busy taking photos and you know.. taking no bait
cool, water under the bridge.. think this is history now anyway…
My thanks to all of you.You that you gave me “voice”, you that dedicate youself to “us”.
“LOVE, PEACE & PHOTOGRAPHY” will prevail…
This post is dedicated to all of you philosophers, civilians… we are all citizens of the world.
THE PHILOSOPHERS:
PATRICIA LAY- DORSEY AS Arete of Cyrene
KATIA ROBERTS AS Axiothea of Philius
KATHLEEN FONSECA AS Sappho
LAURA EL-TANTAWY AS Hypatia of Alexandria
LISA LOGHEN AS Theano of Thurii
JENNY LUNM WALKER AS Aristoclea
KATHARINA AS Hipparchia the Cynic
KERRY PAYNE AS Asclepigenia
ERICA MACDONALD AS Sosipatra
SOFIA QUINTAS AS Aedesia
GINA MARTIN AS Themista of Labascus
CATHY SCHOLL AS Nicarete of Megara
CARRIE ROSEMAN AS Damo of Crotona
GRACIE KIM AS Lastheneia of Mantinea
LISA WILTSE AS Phintys
ANDREY BARDOU AS Philaenis
VALERY RIZZO AS Batis of Lampsacus
MY GRACIE AS Leontion
DAVID ALAN HARVEY AS PLATO
MR.HARVEY’S MOTHER AS Socrates
JAMES NACHTWEY AS Aristoteles
ANTON AS Apollonius
JOHN VINK AS Epicurus
STEVE MC CURRY AS Democritus
BRUCE GILDEN AS Chaerephon
AKAKY AS Aristophanes
BOB BLACK AS Homer
PANOS SKOULIDAS AS Protagoras
CHARLES PETERSON AS Antisthenes
HAIK AS Herodotus
RAFAL AS Xenophon
ASHER AS Ashchylus
PRESTON MERCHANT AS Sophocles
TOM HYDE AS Euripides
MARCIN AS Xenocrates
JOE AS Parmenides
CHRIS BICKFORD AS Phidias the painter
MIKE HALMINSKI AS Aristippus
LANCE ROSENFIELD AS Gorgias
CHARLIE MAHONEY AS Themistocles
PETE MAROVICH AS Heraclitus
LASSAL AS Thales of Miletus
HERVE AS Phaedo of Elis
MIKE R AS Nicomachus the painter
REIMAR OTT AS Aristoxenus
YOUNG TOM AS Eubulides of Miletus
JIM POWERS AS Pyrro of Ellis
ROSS GORDON AS Theodorus the Atheist
STUPID PHOTOGRAPHER AS Eurytus
DAVID BOWEN AS Arcesilaus
ERIC ESPINOSA AS Dionysius of Chalcedon
JOHN CLADDY AS Asclepiades of Elis
JONATHAN H AS Dicaearchus
JONATHAN JK AS Pherecydes of Syros
ANDREW SULLIVAN AS Heraclides the Ponticus
SIDNEY ATKINS AS Athenaeus
DAVID MCGOWAN AS Thucydide
ROSS NOLLY AS Diodorus Cronus
JAMES CHANCE AS Aeshines Socraticus
MARTIN BRINK AS Hippias of Elis
PAUL TREACY AS Ion of Chios
MIKE BERUDE AS Euphraeus
ZISKAR AS Theophrastus
STELIOS AS Diogenes of Sinope
BEN ROBERTS AS Zeno of Citium
KIRIL SUROV AS Inopedes
KYUNGHEE-LEE AS Posidonius of Apamea
IAN AITKEN AS Prodicus oF Ceos
ROBERT JOHNSON AS Melissus of Samos
MICHAEL KIRTCHER AS Autolycus of Pitane
JONI KARANKA AS Eudoxus of Cnidus
GORDON LAFLEUR AS Phanias of Eresus
AUGUST KRYKGER AS Anaxagoras
CHRIS HINKLE AS Strato of lampsacus
MEDFORD TAYLOR AS Cratylus
MICHAEL C. BROWN AS Clinomachus
ANTON KUSTERS AS Alcmaeon of Croton
DAVID DUCHEMIN AS Philolaus
MATT ROBINSON AS Demetrius of Amphipolis
MARK TOMALTY AS Charmadas
JEREMY WADE SHOCKLEY AS Clearchus of Soli
MATT MCLNNIS AS Leucipus
VICTOR COBO AS Nausiphanes
CARY CONOVER AS Metrocles
MUSTAFAH ABDULAZIZ AS Antipater of Cyrene
AISLINN LEGGETT AS Crantor
ANGELO GUARRACINO AS Timon of Phlius
JAN SOCHOR AS Philiscus of Aegina
JOHN LANGMORE AS Hegesias
JASON HOUGE AS Alcidamas
JASON HOBBS AS Philonides of Laodicea
TIM RIPLEY AS Carneades
KURT LENGFIELD AS Cercidas
RAOUL TOUZON AS Bion of Borysthenes
GIOVANNI COCCO AS Simmias of Thebes
MIGUELO FERNANDES AS Hecataeus of Teos
MICHAEL HASSOUN AS Menedemus
BRUNO QUINQUET AS Aspasius
STEFAN ROHNER AS Aenesidemus
JUSTIN PARTYKA AS Hermippus of Smyrna
WROBERTANGEL AS Philo of Larissa
ANDREW WISE AS Acrion
JARED IORIO AS Timon of Philius
ABELE GUARENGA AS Aristo of Ceos
SUBDRAJIT BASUL AS Solon the Athenian
SPACE COWBOY AS Helios
Emerging Philosophers:
EXTRAS
DIMA BLACK AS Heniokhos (Charioteer of Delphi)
FELIX ( the baby) AS
BRIGIT (SUGAR) AS
THE DARK KIDS AS
In memory of Andrew Wyeth (July 1917 – January 2009)
-David Alan Harvey wrote:
“in my mind now i see Andy as a young boy, running across those farm fields he loved… hmmmm,
is Andy really gone, or is he just playing a trick on us and hiding in the barn???”
or is he chasing tumbleweeds…Oupss??
LOVE U ALL
your Civilian-mass audience!!!
Homer I hear you man,
I am out of here.
To my Gracie:
Today I got good internet connections. It will take me a while to get back to my Normal speed so I hope during this period you will be working hard. I bet i will see your photos pretty soon. Keep listening what they have to say…I will be back with ouzo and keftedes.
yes, I am back…
Mr.JAN Smith
VOULEZ-VOUS ETRE PHILOSOPHE AUSSI ?
Etes-vous prêt être brûlé ? Alors accueillir à la zone du crépuscule…
Sorry for my french… it took me some time to compose this.
When words become unclear, I shall focus with photographs. When images become inadequate, I shall be content with silence.
Ansel Adams
It’s the ouzo .blame it on the ouzo.
So dear burning philosophers?
My question is :
Do you know how to edit …?
if a day goes by without my doing something related to photography, it’s as though i have neglected something essential to my existence, as though i had forgotten to wake up…
RICHARD AVEDON
thank you my dearest civilian for your encouragements…
i did do some tumbleweed chasing today and broke one stiletto heel… there were about 4 garage sale signs for tomorrow i passed while my curls were badoing…
is keftedes vegetarian? i cannot afford now to break the other heel…
My Gracie,
you shouldn’t be here,
How did you find me?? I came here cause it’s so hard to go through…
Did u get any photos my blondie leontion??
Come to Greece …maybe with Davidb
I will have Keftedes= meatballs ready but I see that you are on the other side…You make me laugh…How close you are …
But we can try ,we have xortokeftedes too.
Oh, Gracie go back , I love to read your comments .Youuuu HOOO
We got a new philosopher,
I got to find a role for him,
but check the comment of Epicurus:
Why is there a naked person in a building which might be interesting to photograph?
Someone has to tell him the truth,
she came out of a bordello.Come on why shall we tell it all??
Gracie, I wish I was writing like YOU…
My gracie, if you are still around
can you see Mr.Jans Smiths website ??
I am getting out of range again.
Go have some fun tonight …
and try to get some ZZZZZZZZ for me…
We need your photos A.S.A.P
sighhhhh… i am sad, sad, sooo sad… homer had to go… to recharge, to get better, to BE BACK!!!
(pssst… mr. black? mr. blaaaackk! alls you gotta do is look in the mirror and say… ‘hey ACMA, it’s not just Gracie that needs you over there at bUrn but the rest of the try-hard left brain philographers need your dyxlexia’)
come back mr. black…
Thank you
JIM POWERS AS Pyrro of Ellis wrote:
“It’s the non-photographers out there who evaluate what we produce. And they don’t hang out at Burn.”
GORDON LAFLEUR AS Phanias of Eresus wrote:
“Burn isn’t aimed at the un-washed masses Jim, it is aimed at us. Emerging?”
JIM POWERS AS Pyrro of Ellis wrote back::
“Gordon, all I’m saying is that even though there may be a lot of eyeballs looking at this site, there are only a limited few of us commenting.
MARCIN AS Xenocrates wrote:
“If it will be mixed audience it will be great!
it will be place for new renesance”
Jan wrote :
“So what have each of you done to engage non-photographers outside of this forum?”
DAVID ALAN HARVEY AS PLATO wrote:
“we do have an audience…and they are “real people”….whether they are more inclined to be interested in photography more than they are in bird watching is up for interpretation…”
E. E. Cummings
(Edward E.) 1894-1962, American Poet wrote:
“We do not believe in ourselves until someone reveals that deep inside us something is valuable, worth listening to, worthy of our trust, sacred to our touch. Once we believe in ourselves we can risk curiosity, wonder, spontaneous delight or any experience that reveals the human spirit.”
Who knows maybe one day ,we the MASS AUDIENCE can start commenting…:))))))
P.S My heart today is with ” La Chureca”
(Edward E.) 1894-1962, American Poet
CIVILIAN…
E.E. Cummings…one of my all time favorites…” Jesus, he was a handsome man….he used to shoot horses, one , two, three , four , five…just like that…”
CIVILIAN:
OK, i took some time off to regroup….but, i see that the Dark Kids are missing a role…well, ok, they must play
The Eumenides (called The Furies in Roman mythology)
The Erinyes (Ἐρινύες, pl. of Ἐρίνυς Erinys; lit. “the angry ones”) or Eumenides (Εὐμενίδες, pl. of Εὐμενής; lit. “the gracious ones”).
from Wikipedia
“n Greek mythology the Erinyes (Ἐρινύες, pl. of Ἐρίνυς Erinys; lit. “the angry ones”) or Eumenides (Εὐμενίδες, pl. of Εὐμενής; lit. “the gracious ones”) or Furies in Roman mythology were female, chthonic deities of vengeance or supernatural personifications of the anger of the dead. They represent regeneration and the potency of creation, which both consumes and empowers. A formulaic oath in the Iliad (iii.278ff; xix.260ff) invokes them as “those who beneath the earth punish whoever has sworn a false oath.” Burkert suggests they are “an embodiment of the act of self-cursing contained in the oath”.[1]
When the Titan Cronos castrated his father Uranus and threw his genitalia into the sea, the Erinyes emerged from the drops of blood, while Aphrodite was born from the seafoam. According to a variant account, they issued from an even more primordial level—from Nyx, “Night”. Their number is usually left indeterminate. Virgil, probably working from an Alexandrian source, recognized three: Alecto (“unceasing,” who appeared in Virgil’s Aeneid), Megaera (“grudging”), and Tisiphone (“avenging murder”). Dante followed Virgil in depicting the same three-charactered triptych of Erinyes. The heads of the Erinyes were wreathed with serpents (compare Gorgon) and their eyes dripped with blood, rendering their appearance rather horrific. Sometimes they had the wings of a bat or bird and the body of a dog.”
now WE ARE ALL IN TROUBLE…
running
homer
bob black
CIVILIAN:
OK, i took some time off to regroup….but, i see that the Dark Kids are missing a role…well, ok, they must play
The Eumenides (called The Furies in Roman mythology)
The Erinyes (Ἐρινύες, pl. of Ἐρίνυς Erinys; lit. “the angry ones”) or Eumenides (Εὐμενίδες, pl. of Εὐμενής; lit. “the gracious ones”).
from Wikipedia
“n Greek mythology the Erinyes (Ἐρινύες, pl. of Ἐρίνυς Erinys; lit. “the angry ones”) or Eumenides (Εὐμενίδες, pl. of Εὐμενής; lit. “the gracious ones”) or Furies in Roman mythology were female, chthonic deities of vengeance or supernatural personifications of the anger of the dead. They represent regeneration and the potency of creation, which both consumes and empowers. A formulaic oath in the Iliad (iii.278ff; xix.260ff) invokes them as “those who beneath the earth punish whoever has sworn a false oath.” Burkert suggests they are “an embodiment of the act of self-cursing contained in the oath”.[1]
When the Titan Cronos castrated his father Uranus and threw his genitalia into the sea, the Erinyes emerged from the drops of blood, while Aphrodite was born from the seafoam. According to a variant account, they issued from an even more primordial level—from Nyx, “Night”. Their number is usually left indeterminate. Virgil, probably working from an Alexandrian source, recognized three: Alecto (“unceasing,” who appeared in Virgil’s Aeneid), Megaera (“grudging”), and Tisiphone (“avenging murder”). Dante followed Virgil in depicting the same three-charactered triptych of Erinyes. The heads of the Erinyes were wreathed with serpents (compare Gorgon) and their eyes dripped with blood, rendering their appearance rather horrific. Sometimes they had the wings of a bat or bird and the body of a dog.”
now WE ARE ALL IN TROUBLE…
running
homer
bob
HOMER,bobby,
BURN the BURNhouse my man, F&$%&K burn it down …
Do I have to thank PLATO again ! for that… Did he twist your arm already…?
Dearest PLATO,THE Plato,
it’s a fish…
Your comment,very “political” correct …:)))))
“Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.”
Mark Twain
P.S No need to reply. I am loosing signal again… Enough said …
One more thing,
please don’t bring more of ME -mass audience here. At least not yet…They will break my healthy EGO.
Don’t I love me soooo…??
I am out of mythos, of ouzo, of cerveza, tsipro…
Hey HOMER ,
I told you to BURN the house down but Kinda in a rhetorical way… hmmm…but you really Burn it.
Regarding your last posting:
“I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying.”
Oscar Wilde
He is Irish too:))))))
To MR. BOB BLACK:
“People can only live fully by helping others to live. When you give life to friends you truly live. Cultures can only realize their further richness by honoring other traditions. And only by respecting natural life can humanity continue to exist.”
Daisaku Ikeda (Japanese peace Activist and Buddhist Leader of Buddhist organization Soka Gakkai International}
Dearest Homer,
Thank you for your…ok…blah, blah…
Thanks for sharing …
and welcome back BOBB family…
I better stop …it’s the ouzo…
No, we better give credit to those who do deserve it…
CIVILIAN :)))))
u must be sippin’ on the ouzu, cause like who the hell else would way through that long thing….surely not all the great unwashed ;)))))
and i wasnt even drinking this afternoon ;)))))….yea, i dont understand a damn thing i say either ;)))….and half of the things i wanted to say in that last Burn(ing) post got lost, cause like, well, that happens to me often: i forget what i wanted to say ;)))))….but daisaku ikeda is right….
all we have is one another, without them, well, we’re……ALONE ;)))))…
hugs, gotta get my own ouzo…
running
bb
Can someone find my Gracie, Panos, Haik, Patricia,Rafal, Kathleen, Akaky,Young, Charles, Reimar, Tom, Chris,
Davidb…Spacecowboy… I hope that you ALL and the rest that my dyslexic brain forgets,are taking some good Polaroid photos …for the mass audience…
Marcin, we count on you too…
BURN MAGAZINE
MORE PHOTOS PLEASE…Thank you all…
No need to reply.
Homer,
please don’t keep posting here cause they will throw me out again…No place to go after that..
OH, I won’t forget…don’t worry ,I have your ouzo my man and keftedes… Aiii, Marina…good luck…
Dima I am watching you…:))))
civilian.. this is where you are lurking..
always photographing.. daily-daily.. what else is there?
well.. tea i suppose..
that´s good too.
beer here tonight :ø)
x
DB ,
Are you ready for your essay??
We are waiting.AND YES, Everyone loved your editing BLAH…BLAH… You should have post it somewhere else
though …Next time, if you have more of those bright ideas, visions, questions… please don’t do it here.
I have a baby barrel of ouzo, next to this one I have MYTHOS, beer and today vtolmadakia…rice with beef and grape leaves…
Any ideas, what PLATO is gonna through… I have my eyes on the selected photographs or the p…essays??
Dyslexic….ME.
I meant throw
PANOS,
Got the book. Get your big fat greek ___ to glendale, armenia. We need to BURN it.
http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/610452
I got the book too…It’s not here yet… but I quess i have to burn it too. What the Haik, Heck :))
Protagora ouzo is on you this time!!!!
waving at Civilian the Burn Muse..and his sidekick the Bodalicious Badoing Babe…
then scootin’ back to my Nikon 9000 chanting my mantra, scan baby scan baby scan baby scan baby scan baby…
kat-man-do
” I would like a question answered today,” said Tiffany. “Provided it’s not the one about how you get baby hedgehogs,” said the man. “No, “said Tiffany patiently. “It’s about zoology.” “Zoology eh? That’s a big word, isn’t it.” “No, actually it isn’t,” said Tiffany. “PATRONIZING is a big word. Zoology is really quite short.””
Terry Pratchett quotes (English Writer)
Do you know how to EDIT ?
kat-budda-do :))))
i was heartbroken when someone said we should not be here… or we should not be anywhere here in BURN.
as if you, civilian mass-audience, were a waste of time…
it felt like…
well, i have gotten so fat from keftedes (i really dont think it’s vegetarian?) that i have been floating… floating like that lady… in the sewers… clogging up the culverts, not allowing anything to go through…
but YOU, my dearest civilian, and my dearest kitty-kat are the PUR filters that make the sewer waters of my real life, most palatable and forever refreshing… you have made BURN much more interesting, comedy relief which we all need in this serious, so serious very strange left brained not so dyslexic world.
i might decide not to – what do they say? HIJACK or God forgive me not TELL DAH what to do with his own website but i have been so busy, so so busy FLOATING… barely …
while i watch me TUMBLEWEED (my passion for photography as a nonphotographer ) gather momentum close by…
but heyy, loosen up you guys and girls…
like my blondie curls: if they were too tight, they would not bounce so right
Leontion..your words touch us all with their feeling and their humor..i wish i could just give a little bit back to you. YOU and CIVILIAN are the reasons i stayed even peripherally connected here and now look i just launched a whole big whoppin’ comment under Jan’s photo. Now i feel lost like do i run? do i hide? do i just stay here with my Graceful Graciosa and her Ouzo Man…hugs to you girlie..just hugs..it’s all ok, chica..
Civilian..that joke was big time 200mg of comic relief and man oh man, did i ever need it. i am really so tired of people telling other people what to do.
and Civilian…i can’t even spell edit, let alone do it well. heh..
hey Gracie….zzzzzzzzzzz
katankerous
KaKathleen Fonseca and Gracie:
“Most of the people I admire, they usually smell funny and don’t get out much. It’s true..”.
Tom Waits
To ALL:
“I drink when I have occasion, and sometimes when I have no occasion.”
Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra
MIS amigos españoles, por favor tome a cuidado nuestro filósofo compañero
Gracias.
THE cerveza on the Spaniards…;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
i love the interuptions of non photographers, philosophers, farmers or shepards.. the general blah blah and funny meanderings of everyone is welcome on burn i am certain..
i can understand why it switched thread to here.. although i don´t thin k that was needed.
perhaps there will be a more formal forum in time.. or a room to shoot the sh$t without the focus on photos.. perhaps that could be a permenant room in the right hand colum.. there could be davids posts which are updated as he writes them and a fixed room for meanderings, poetry and other verbal love-making which seems to be going on.
who knows_?
david
DAVID BOWEN AS Arcesilaus,
AMAZING POSTS…:)))) YOU WOA !! me this time…I hope your essay will do the same…:o)
“We all find occasion to reject and resist another person. We all like to put up a fight against anything we dislike on the evening news as we spectate the world. But we forget that when we decide we will resist something or somebody, either mentally or physically, we only empower the object of our resistance, either in reality or in our own minds. If you want to enjoy the ability to influence, always start with acceptance. If you want to disarm another begin with acceptance. If you want to encourage and empower another to change, start with acceptance. Don’t make it conditional. Otherwise it’s just resistance disguised as acceptance, and you are still trying to control them. And we can all smell a controller…can’t you?”
I don’t know what I am talking about…TO BE OR NOT TO BE …
LOVE YOU ALL. How does it feel …almost 1st of April…
Verbal love-making for you ALL !!!!!!!!!!!
oral love-making is already taken as far as meanings go :ø)
i guess i will have an essay to go up in a month or so..
the mentoring is really about the book for me – and the essay here will be 1/4 the total photos only.. the book needs to help me get where i hope to go.. where my dreams take me when i´m asleep..
always very mundane dreams really.. achievable.. real..
okay just thinking aloud – putting off the inevitable of diving back into negative archives, which once i get stuck into will take me over for hours..
bye-bye world and thanks for all the fish.
dx
civilian,
you wrote:
“kakathleen and gracie: most of the people i admire usually smell funny,
they dont get out much it’s true”…
hmmm… im trying to be left brained here when they say:
“IT’s all fish”
are they talking about us? :))))))))))
i wasn´t..
Civilian? Oh wherefore art thou, you bloody hedonist? well, if you decided to back burner yourself, i can’t blame you. But i hope it’s not gonna be long-term..come back soon and let us know where you are. You are enjoyed and appreciated here..hope you’re ok…
regards:
kathie
oh Kathie…
i second that……..
i hope he didnt read those “TEDIOUS” shameless comments…
Even if he did, i hope he/she has the wisdom to ignore the attack…
i can only hope…
DAVID B…
that is exactly what Dialogue is supposed to be…where you are is where you are supposed to be for Burnlite..maybe not way back here in the back closet hiding with your friends (how do you even get here?), but you are in the right room…Skyping soonest…i mean like tomorrow…OR, we will have to wait til saturday, but no i will have a hangover saturday after fiesta friday and i fly on sunday to new york where i have to face reality finally in my life oh oh oh…..like i said,skype on monday or tuesday…
cheers, david
JOE AS Parmenides wrote:
“a Burn editor, i have no idea what that means, but it sounds like it will take loads of my time up, put me at the risk of crisism and ridicule, and not pay anything, hmmm… sounds interesting, please count me in.”
TEDIOUS,i have no idea what that means, but it sounds … hmmm… sounds interesting, please count me in.
You don’t know how much I love you PATRICIA and how much I support your website…Lovely by the way…
And yes ,PANOS really loves you too much. But don’t we all love him too. He really loves that MH guy too.
See,I think he lives and breathes by this quote:
“I decided it is better to scream. Silence is the real crime against humanity..”
Nadezhda Mandelstam, Russian writer
KATHLEEN oh my,oh my oh my…Did I tell you? You got a new home in Greece …!!!!No kidding
“I’ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”
Maya Angelou
I am waiting for your photos.
Herve, Akaky freaking Funny ,ferocious…writing…
MY GRACIE …LOVE FEAST …I might be a lady after all…????
ATTENTION: BURN people we are going for a third Round EDITING …? GO figure.. .
P.S Plato , I got keftedes and xtapodaki :))))
To EDIT or not to EDIT!!!
It’s a fish!!!??
Ouzo anyone…?
hmmmm… my dearest kitty-kat,
i did not take offense about the LOVEFEST term — i do love you. i want to write like you, i want to critique like you. you have been most pc(? – would you like this term, maybe not, pc would be me, pc=safe) with much consideration and thought put into your critique… but you have a mucho “unit” to stand by what you say…
ALL,
people do not know how elusive me TUMBLEWEED is… i simply cannot run fast after it if im wearing my high heels…
people do not know how much i love me TUMBLEWEED probably as much as you love your gidgets and gadgets and your shutter finger… again my frustration, i want my pictures to speak… i dont know how
people do not know how much ive been serious on the side, offsite emailing people who i think can help me, who i think might want to help me, who i think might make a difference in me TUMBLEWEED soonest…
i have been so so serious all my life… civilian, kat, you have made my life’s sewer waters cleaner, much healthier…
been so so serious… so so serious… i hope you ALL dont go where ive been….
NOT!!!!!!
I CAN TAKE CARE OF MESELF. I AM A BIG GIRL !!!
(46GG)
My Gracie,DavidB …you got a new home too, yess, in Greece. Maybe our Patricia can come along with Jim.
Oh, I better stop drinking …before I drink your bottles too…
Please, Burn EDITORS don’t push the edit botton…not yet…I know the way out…
PRESTON MERCHANT AS Sophocles,
Thank YOOOU!!!!!
ARE u on ouzo too??
OUZO on PRESTON today!!!
okay everyone…
burn light – this way.. the man himself has said so.. can we all go back to imes and timing, as it´s really quiet over there..
DAH – great.
had such a long conversation with bodo in india tonight.. brilliant stuff..
looking forward
david
Shall I stay or shall I go?
Watching Elmo all alone…
Thank you Jim for being so brave
you are not pixel on my brain…
Times and Timing…NIAH!!!!…I was thinking to move to WHO’S THIS??
Check his eyes. They are burning …
LOVE U ALL
Eish aiz ya basha oumeia? Nam, Il shams gambda fil ailam. Min inta? Min ana? Min intu?
A Civilian Mass Audience
i am holding a civil ceremony for you, a municipal mass attended by a mass of civilians (and a civil audience it is too). CivilianCivilianCivilian, manning your corner, scuffing your toe in the dirt, tossing down Ouzo, wiping your mouth with the back of your hand, peering into the dark looking for the lights of a familiar car to come zig-zagging down the lane, blond spirals whipping out the window and her wave, her wink as she grinds to a halt at the curb..and you grin, wipe the toe of your dusty shoe on the back of your jeans..you saunter up, lean casually against the car and lean down..hey babe..hey…
so you’s guys..just passing by to say hi..to you and the gracious poet in the car, tugging a blond curl and leaning down to whisper..
‘night gracie…zzzzzz, night Civilian…zzzzzz…
sppppfttt…Civilian, keep up the good work, you give great heart and humor and niceness..
kat-tle in the marketplace
ΤΟ ΜΥ JAN :
Min inta?
Λοιπον,τι λες δικε μου, εισαι ετοιμος να γινεις ενας με τους προλεταριους:)))))))
ΑRISTOFANOUS ( Lysistrati]
Course to Fight (350-386)
_ἐλευθέρα γάρ εἰμι.
_σχήσω σ᾽ ἐγὼ τῆς νῦν βοῆς.
_ Γυν ἀλλ᾽ οὐκέθ᾽ ἡλιάζει.
_ Γερ ἔμπρησον αὐτῆς τὰς κόμας.
Translation
Μα είμ’ εγώ ελεύθερη.
_ Κ’ εγώ θα στο βουλώσω
το στόμα σου, πού τάφησες καί τσαμπουνάει τόσο.
_ Αλλά στο δικαστήριο δεν θα ‘χης πειά δουλειά.
Μώρ’ δεν της καίτε τα μαλλιά!
Thank you so much ΗΑΙΚ (Հայկ ) May good energy flow towards you…I am dead serious, tedious…
My blondie Gracie, Space Cowboy is watching you. How dare you ZZZZ one me…
AND KATHLEEN , it will be an honor to buy your first BOOK. I can wait …but not for long…
Oh,Kathleen
I know you are busy but check out:
Her long red hair like flame
IMAGE GALLERY by Fernand Khnopff
Ok…ok…I just wanted to ask you …
WHAT THE F%$^&K ARE YOU DRINKING ????
Dear PANOS ,I am afraid you need to dig this one…You are Greek after all…? If u won’t find a home in LA come over…!!!
Blame the beer but I have to thank someone special .OUR ANTON…
THANK YOU ANTON ,THANK YOU ANTON, THANK YOU ANTON .
and a big THANKS to all the CIVILIANS who are next to you…
You know what I mean…those who right now are washing our underwear and our smelly socks, those who are making our dinner, those who we are forgetting to kiss and tell cause we are BURNing on BURN…
THANK YOU MR. Do.As.Harvey
dear mr civilian…. you’re more than welcome
Apollo
Civilian…
only for this, shall i spin out words…but this aint a comment but a brief lapse until the next time u hear from me (in my editorial duties), because you invoke one of my heros the family Mandelshtam (both Osip and Nadezhda)…hopeagainsthope and hopeabandoned SHOULD BE required reading for Burn…so, i am exhausted of all the twitter and the flagging sails, so i shall leave u with Osip to complement your Nadya:
Insomnia. Homer. Taut sails.
I’ve read through half the list of ships:
This spun-out brood, this train of cranes
That once ascended over Hellas.
A wedge of cranes to foreign shores,-
Your kings’ heads wreathed in spray,-
Where are you sailing? Were it not for Helen,
Achaeans, what would Troy have been to you?
The sea and Homer – love moves all.
Where should I turn? Here Homer is silent,
While the Black Sea clamors oratorically
And reaches my pillow with a heavy roar.
and in russian
Бессоница, Гомер, тугие паруса.
Я список кораблей прочел до середины…
Сей длинный выводок, сей поезд журавлиный,
Что над Элладою когда-то поднялся.
Как журавлиный клин в чужие рубежи
На головаx царей божественная пена…
Куда плывете вы? Когда бы не Элена,
Что Троя вам одна, аxейские мужи??
И море и Гомер все движимо любовью..
Куда же деться мне? И вот, Гомер молчит..
И море Черное витийствуя шумит
И с страшным гроxотом подxодит к изголовью
OSIP M
see u later
a wearied homer
b
BOB BLACK AS Osip Mandelstam
MARINA BLACK AS Nadezhda Yakovlevna
Wish you good luck …may the spirit of the Russian fairies be with you..
THANK YOU MIKE R,
NOW I KNOW
A civilian-mass audience WROTE :
March 17, 2009 at 12:15 pm
GRACIE …I am in tears…
I have been diagnosed as VISUAL-SPATIAL LEARNER. VSL’s are individuals who think in pictures rather than in words. They have a different brain organization than auditory-sequential learners. The visual-spatial learner model is based on the newest discoveries in brain research about the different functions of the hemispheres. The left hemisphere is sequential, analytical, and time-oriented. The right hemisphere perceives the whole, synthesizes, and apprehends movement in space. They learn better visually than auditorally…They are often gifted creatively, technologically, mathematically or emotionally.They also are very creative, dramatic, artistic and musical.n adulthood, these individuals excel in fields dependent upon their spatial abilities: art, architecture, physics, aeronautics, pure mathematical research, engineering, computer programming, and PHOTOGRAPHY.
I bet my big bottle of ouzo that 87% of the Philosophers here are Visual Spatial.
That’s why I am writing here and that’s why I am quoting so much.
Please procede for your roles:
The Right BURNbrains to the right The left BURNbrains to the left
and the UFOS ,TROLLS, in the center…:))))))))))))))
OUZO AND MOUSAKA for everyone.
SORRY EVERYONE,
I can’t help myself : Last (mis)quote for today…
Plato wrote:
“i must now go into a room full of young Spanish … who have been shooting their hearts out for a couple of days…”, “heavens sake, go out and make a… TODAY… submit to me… enjoy your day…it is springtime…
Plato thanks for the laughs:)))))))))))))))))
Next thread : THE DANGERS OF THE web misquoting… Oups…Dyslexic ME,memme.
I am in trouble !!!!!!!!!!!
NO REPLY …Buy Burniards …See ya soon.I love you PAT!!
HOMER WROTE:
Insomnia. Homer. Taut sails.
I’ve read through half the list of ships:
This spun-out brood, this train of cranes
That once ascended over Hellas.
A wedge of cranes to foreign shores,
Your kings’ heads wreathed in spray,
Where are you sailing? Were it not for Helen,
Achaens, what would Troy have been to you?
The sea and Homer – love moves all.
Where should I turn? Here Homer is silent,
While the Black Sea clamors oratorically
And reaches my pillow with a heavy roar.
CIVILIAN @ LEONTION WRITES:
Insomnia? In my dreams: You Homer, with taut pants.
I’ve scanned through a pile of sh.. negs
This spinning right brained, this talk of fame
That once descended on left brained fellas
A wedgie coming from foreign shores (Spain?)
Your heads locked in ouzo hairspray
What the f(&*& are you smoking?
Were it not for mrs. B
You wouldn’t be poet or Mr B(urn) editor!
The sea and me, I love you all.
You ask why should you burn? Here Pat is silent
But davidB speaks so oratorically of love-
Making – me reach for my pillow as I burp
NO REPLY…
BUT LUVS A LOTS
Basha Omeia:
είπε προλεταριους φιλόσοφος?
…κυνικός.
κυνικός διανοητικός?
…min?
jan,
russian translation: DUH??
quit that :)))))))
i cant make poems if i cannot read what you write…
Gracie,
Mish lazum fahem kul il kilmat.
Shoof, walla tisma: Sheila Chandra, SPEAKING IN TONGUES III
You got me jan !
for a moment I thought you were speaking Bakahs (Tahari)…:)))))))))))))
I got you a role:
JAN SMITH AS Crates of Thebes
and also I got one for MR.
BRIAN SHUMWAY AS Lycurgus of Athens.
Katharina Hesse-included in NPPA Best of Photojournalism. YEAHHHHHHHH. YEAHHHHHHH.YEAHHHHHH
By the way KATHARINA I GOT YOUR MAN…If you don’t mind..
Check above his name is Jan …
He writes weird and he thinks
he is Smart…
but I bet my bottle of ouzo
that he will bring some fun…
HOPE against HOPE ( to our bobby)
Davidb, kathlleen,Gracie, Joe ,Panos,Haik,Marcin, Young ,Akaky,Jim,Katia,Pat ,PM,MP,RJ, …and to all of you let’s send some good energy to Spain and to your fellow emerging philosophers who are drinking cerveza with Plato…for more “grainy” photos
Ok, Enough talking…
Red wine tonight with paidakia . Viva depression…
Civilian..
it´s weird, my daughter was in Valencia when DAH was there and she´s in Madrid now that he´s there and she goes to college in LA and he´s going THERE,,i wonder who´s following who? hmmm….
anyway, the sound of one hand clapping to those hard working students in Madrid who surely have the best teacher on the planet working with them..SO GLAD that these students have this opportunity..GoGoGoGo!
kathie
WILL WE KEEP EVOLVING ??
yes,WE wii…
According to the wordwide date that we have collected the last few weeks MR. HARVEY cannot maintain his role as Plato.His new role is ALEXANDER THE GREAT.
We don’t know how well he’ll fare as ALEXANDER but we wish him luck …
After the most recent gallup on 3-26-2009 the updated post is as follows:
THE PHILOSOPHERS:
PATRICIA LAY- DORSEY AS Arete of Cyrene
KATIA ROBERTS AS Axiothea of Philius
KATHLEEN FONSECA AS Sappho
LAURA EL-TANTAWY AS Hypatia of Alexandria
LISA LOGHEN AS Theano of Thurii
JENNY LUNM WALKER AS Aristoclea
KATHARINA AS Hipparchia the Cynic
KERRY PAYNE AS Asclepigenia
ERICA MACDONALD AS Sosipatra
SOFIA QUINTAS AS Aedesia
GINA MARTIN AS Themista of Labascus
CATHY SCHOLL AS Nicarete of Megara
CARRIE ROSEMAN AS Damo of Crotona
GRACIE KIM AS Lastheneia of Mantinea
LISA WILTSE AS Phintys
ANDREY BARDOU AS Philaenis
VALERY RIZZO AS Batis of Lampsacus
MY GRACIE AS Leontion
DAVID ALAN HARVEY AS ALEXANDER THE GREAT
MR.HARVEY’S MOTHER AS Socrates
JAMES NACHTWEY AS Aristoteles
ANTON AS Apollonius
JOHN VINK AS Epicurus
STEVE MC CURRY AS Democritus
BRUCE GILDEN AS Chaerephon
AKAKY AS Aristophanes
BOB BLACK AS Homer
PANOS SKOULIDAS AS Protagoras
CHARLES PETERSON AS Antisthenes
HAIK AS Herodotus
RAFAL AS Xenophon
ASHER AS Ashchylus
PRESTON MERCHANT AS Sophocles
TOM HYDE AS Euripides
MARCIN AS Xenocrates
JOE AS Parmenides
CHRIS BICKFORD AS Phidias the painter
MIKE HALMINSKI AS Aristippus
LANCE ROSENFIELD AS Gorgias
CHARLIE MAHONEY AS Themistocles
PETE MAROVICH AS Heraclitus
LASSAL AS Thales of Miletus
HERVE AS Phaedo of Elis
MIKE R AS Nicomachus the painter
REIMAR OTT AS Aristoxenus
YOUNG TOM AS Eubulides of Miletus
JIM POWERS AS Pyrro of Ellis
ROSS GORDON AS Theodorus the Atheist
STUPID PHOTOGRAPHER AS Eurytus
DAVID BOWEN AS Arcesilaus
ERIC ESPINOSA AS Dionysius of Chalcedon
JOHN CLADDY AS Asclepiades of Elis
JONATHAN H AS Dicaearchus
JONATHAN JK AS Pherecydes of Syros
ANDREW SULLIVAN AS Heraclides the Ponticus
SIDNEY ATKINS AS Athenaeus
DAVID MCGOWAN AS Thucydide
ROSS NOLLY AS Diodorus Cronus
JAMES CHANCE AS Aeshines Socraticus
MARTIN BRINK AS Hippias of Elis
PAUL TREACY AS Ion of Chios
MIKE BERUDE AS Euphraeus
ZISKAR AS Theophrastus
STELIOS AS Diogenes of Sinope
BEN ROBERTS AS Zeno of Citium
KIRIL SUROV AS Inopedes
KYUNGHEE-LEE AS Posidonius of Apamea
IAN AITKEN AS Prodicus oF Ceos
ROBERT JOHNSON AS Melissus of Samos
MICHAEL KIRTCHER AS Autolycus of Pitane
JONI KARANKA AS Eudoxus of Cnidus
GORDON LAFLEUR AS Phanias of Eresus
AUGUST KRYKGER AS Anaxagoras
CHRIS HINKLE AS Strato of lampsacus
MEDFORD TAYLOR AS Cratylus
MICHAEL C. BROWN AS Clinomachus
ANTON KUSTERS AS Alcmaeon of Croton
DAVID DUCHEMIN AS Philolaus
MATT ROBINSON AS Demetrius of Amphipolis
MARK TOMALTY AS Charmadas
JEREMY WADE SHOCKLEY AS Clearchus of Soli
MATT MCLNNIS AS Leucipus
VICTOR COBO AS Nausiphanes
CARY CONOVER AS Metrocles
MUSTAFAH ABDULAZIZ AS Antipater of Cyrene
AISLINN LEGGETT AS Crantor
ANGELO GUARRACINO AS Timon of Phlius
JAN SOCHOR AS Philiscus of Aegina
JOHN LANGMORE AS Hegesias
JASON HOUGE AS Alcidamas
JASON HOBBS AS Philonides of Laodicea
TIM RIPLEY AS Carneades
KURT LENGFIELD AS Cercidas
RAOUL TOUZON AS Bion of Borysthenes
GIOVANNI COCCO AS Simmias of Thebes
MIGUELO FERNANDES AS Hecataeus of Teos
MICHAEL HASSOUN AS Menedemus
BRUNO QUINQUET AS Aspasius
STEFAN ROHNER AS Aenesidemus
JUSTIN PARTYKA AS Hermippus of Smyrna
WROBERTANGEL AS Philo of Larissa
ANDREW WISE AS Acrion
JAN SMITH AS Crates of Thebes
BRIAN SHUMWAY AS Lycurgus of Athens
JARED IORIO AS Timon of Philius
ABELE GUARENGA AS Aristo of Ceos
SUBDRAJIT BASUL AS Solon the Athenian
SPACE COWBOY AS Helios
Emerging Philosophers:
EXTRAS
DIMA BLACK AS Heniokhos (Charioteer of Delphi)
FELIX ( the baby) AS
BRIGIT (SUGAR) AS
THE DARK KIDS AS the Eumenides
P.S BURN magazine …too many greeks around…It’s getting TEDIOUS.
LOVE U ALL
YOUR CIVILIAN
Dyslexic me…
Shall I post it again to times and timing..??????
..and now we are confined to life in the streets… I see :)
CIVILIAN…
you are the designator here, and i do not want to mess with your “authorship”…however, i at least see myself as more of a philosopher than military conqueror…ATG might have been warm and fuzzy when hanging around his house with the wife and kids , but, well, he did chop off a few heads….i might like to change a few minds or enlighten, but conquer??? oh please please put me back in a nice room with good light and a few friends drinking wine and discussing what we should do with our lives…besides, i do not even own a sword….
cheers, peace…david
I am not a designator nor a terminator…:))
I am not kidding I have a real time results from a gallup. They believe that you are something more than a philosopher…All the comments that I am receiving too are starting like this:
David the great… How Great he is… He is the greatest…
Your wishes are granted…!!!
back to old you. If you change your mind just scratch your bald head I will hear you…#
THE PHILOSOPHERS:
PATRICIA LAY- DORSEY AS Arete of Cyrene
KATIA ROBERTS AS Axiothea of Philius
KATHLEEN FONSECA AS Sappho
LAURA EL-TANTAWY AS Hypatia of Alexandria
LISA LOGHEN AS Theano of Thurii
JENNY LUNM WALKER AS Aristoclea
KATHARINA AS Hipparchia the Cynic
KERRY PAYNE AS Asclepigenia
ERICA MACDONALD AS Sosipatra
SOFIA QUINTAS AS Aedesia
GINA MARTIN AS Themista of Labascus
CATHY SCHOLL AS Nicarete of Megara
CARRIE ROSEMAN AS Damo of Crotona
GRACIE KIM AS Lastheneia of Mantinea
LISA WILTSE AS Phintys
ANDREY BARDOU AS Philaenis
VALERY RIZZO AS Batis of Lampsacus
MY GRACIE AS Leontion
DAVID ALAN HARVEY AS PLATO
MR.HARVEY’S MOTHER AS Socrates
JAMES NACHTWEY AS Aristoteles
ANTON AS Apollonius
JOHN VINK AS Epicurus
STEVE MC CURRY AS Democritus
BRUCE GILDEN AS Chaerephon
AKAKY AS Aristophanes
BOB BLACK AS Homer
PANOS SKOULIDAS AS Protagoras
CHARLES PETERSON AS Antisthenes
HAIK AS Herodotus
RAFAL AS Xenophon
ASHER AS Ashchylus
PRESTON MERCHANT AS Sophocles
TOM HYDE AS Euripides
MARCIN AS Xenocrates
JOE AS Parmenides
CHRIS BICKFORD AS Phidias the painter
MIKE HALMINSKI AS Aristippus
LANCE ROSENFIELD AS Gorgias
CHARLIE MAHONEY AS Themistocles
PETE MAROVICH AS Heraclitus
LASSAL AS Thales of Miletus
HERVE AS Phaedo of Elis
MIKE R AS Nicomachus the painter
REIMAR OTT AS Aristoxenus
YOUNG TOM AS Eubulides of Miletus
JIM POWERS AS Pyrro of Ellis
ROSS GORDON AS Theodorus the Atheist
STUPID PHOTOGRAPHER AS Eurytus
DAVID BOWEN AS Arcesilaus
ERIC ESPINOSA AS Dionysius of Chalcedon
JOHN CLADDY AS Asclepiades of Elis
JONATHAN H AS Dicaearchus
JONATHAN JK AS Pherecydes of Syros
ANDREW SULLIVAN AS Heraclides the Ponticus
SIDNEY ATKINS AS Athenaeus
DAVID MCGOWAN AS Thucydide
ROSS NOLLY AS Diodorus Cronus
JAMES CHANCE AS Aeshines Socraticus
MARTIN BRINK AS Hippias of Elis
PAUL TREACY AS Ion of Chios
MIKE BERUDE AS Euphraeus
ZISKAR AS Theophrastus
STELIOS AS Diogenes of Sinope
BEN ROBERTS AS Zeno of Citium
KIRIL SUROV AS Inopedes
KYUNGHEE-LEE AS Posidonius of Apamea
IAN AITKEN AS Prodicus oF Ceos
ROBERT JOHNSON AS Melissus of Samos
MICHAEL KIRTCHER AS Autolycus of Pitane
JONI KARANKA AS Eudoxus of Cnidus
GORDON LAFLEUR AS Phanias of Eresus
AUGUST KRYKGER AS Anaxagoras
CHRIS HINKLE AS Strato of lampsacus
MEDFORD TAYLOR AS Cratylus
MICHAEL C. BROWN AS Clinomachus
ANTON KUSTERS AS Alcmaeon of Croton
DAVID DUCHEMIN AS Philolaus
MATT ROBINSON AS Demetrius of Amphipolis
MARK TOMALTY AS Charmadas
JEREMY WADE SHOCKLEY AS Clearchus of Soli
MATT MCLNNIS AS Leucipus
VICTOR COBO AS Nausiphanes
CARY CONOVER AS Metrocles
MUSTAFAH ABDULAZIZ AS Antipater of Cyrene
AISLINN LEGGETT AS Crantor
ANGELO GUARRACINO AS Timon of Phlius
JAN SOCHOR AS Philiscus of Aegina
JOHN LANGMORE AS Hegesias
JASON HOUGE AS Alcidamas
JASON HOBBS AS Philonides of Laodicea
TIM RIPLEY AS Carneades
KURT LENGFIELD AS Cercidas
RAOUL TOUZON AS Bion of Borysthenes
GIOVANNI COCCO AS Simmias of Thebes
MIGUELO FERNANDES AS Hecataeus of Teos
MICHAEL HASSOUN AS Menedemus
BRUNO QUINQUET AS Aspasius
STEFAN ROHNER AS Aenesidemus
JUSTIN PARTYKA AS Hermippus of Smyrna
WROBERTANGEL AS Philo of Larissa
ANDREW WISE AS Acrion
JAN SMITH AS Crates of Thebes
BRIAN SHUMWAY AS Lycurgus of Athens
JARED IORIO AS Timon of Philius
ABELE GUARENGA AS Aristo of Ceos
SUBDRAJIT BASUL AS Solon the Athenian
SPACE COWBOY AS Helios
Emerging Philosophers:
EXTRAS
DIMA BLACK AS Heniokhos (Charioteer of Delphi)
FELIX ( the baby) AS
BRIGIT (SUGAR) AS
THE DARK KIDS AS the Eumenides
P.S BURN magazine …too many greeks around…It’s getting TEDIOUS.
LOVE U ALL
YOUR CIVILIAN
Don’t worry, it’s your Friday night. GET OUT OF HERE…We are already jealous…
Cervezaaaaaaaaaaa FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!
by the way dearest Plato ,
you are the winner !!!
You just hit the 300 post .Shall we go back to times ??
NO REPLY… BURN THE Spaniards tonight
Kathie you are a mommy…OUAOU…lucky you!!!
My Gracie , where are you??
About the selected…
Maybe she is a philosopher who had so much ouzo and she missed the toilet…
It happens to me everyday…
Oime. don’t we all wish to be in Spain right now…:(((((
civilian,
i miss you too.
can you have find homer and have him see my love poem above?
Civilian, Gracie
*running*..waving hi, blowing kisses behind in the wind..
kathie
Gracie:
saw, swallowed, sheered, gallop’d beneath and click-clakety-clung to the lovely poem sent after wearied homer….no time to write, off to make some shit and prepare for a (fuck help us) photo party with some of Burn’s quiet members…
so, instead, sending u music…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64QMKEbJQg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEukS2YN9B8&feature=related
running
bb(homer)
Gracie:
saw, swallowed, sheered, gallop’d beneath and click-clakety-clung to the lovely poem sent after wearied homer….no time to write, off to make some shit and prepare for a (fuck help us) photo party with some of Burn’s quiet members…
so, instead, sending u music…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64QMKEbJQg
running
bb(homer)
gracie:
PART II…
what i often feel now, here….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEukS2YN9B8&feature=related
have edit to do and something to write fro PLATO…and the rest of the greeks and non-greeks to read/see next week…
running
bb(homer)
kathie,
you blowing kisses on my behind? should be other way no?
hmmm… what you sayin goes for great still on toilet…
wind is beautiful over there yeah? but dont laugh too much…
gotta watch them bugs n where they go.
missd u2.
Civilian…
returned for a brief stop, to give u some Hope music from Russia, by way of Australia-Berlin ;)))
http://vodpod.com/watch/1458922-nick-cave-15ft-of-pure-white-snow
running
bb(homer)
shhhh…
BaBy homer…
bUrn is banned at work… i am totally addicted…
cant turn up the music… will have to check while night duty…
problem is i am the boss…
miss kathie,
i tried to find me bubblegum within that wrapper you left me
stuck to the holes in the walls of times and timing…
had to bring it back here to welcome…
air’s much cooler here underneath that burn-ing fire up top…
with BaBy B singsonging my songs
with civilian n me drinking ROOTBEER!! YAMAS!!!
F&*%$k BB (Homer)
You smell vodka mixed with Horchata. Are you singing ? :
PARTY , it’s my party and I loved it…:))
It’s my party…
I guess only TOM .Y and PANOS know the secret code : mythos beer:))))
Kathie blows kisses,
my Gracie looks for her fishnets
davidb we miss you too..
Gracie it’s you party, and we love it…
Addicted??? WE breath BURN … we eat BURN… we dream Burn
I am out of time…
ALL BURN PHILOSOPHERS, BURN CIVILIANS, BURN CITIZENS of the word…
We’re gonna party like it’s our birthday. Birthday for BURN…??
No more ouzo…I got to go…
Mythos + Greece + Sun + Mezes = ?????
Bob, i’m a bit worried about this post:
what i often feel now, here….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEukS2YN9B8&feature=related
Does this mean you feel like jumping off a building or attracting a suitor by pretending to?
Mate is there anything that will prevent you from feeling either feeling?
Hi B-b-b-b-b-bob-B-b-b-b-lack!
Civilian…horchata with vodka, eh? Down here they make horchata, sell it at the market in old wooden bins, next to the turmeric powder..i love drinking it fast before it has time to settle its heaviness in the bottom of the glass.
Gracie..don’t look for gum, look for a coded message honey-chile.
Gracie and Civilian..i love the sound of your words. Like tinkly music that seriously heals what seriously ails me. i can’t explain it..no meanings, just sounds, absolute internet night song..like crickets and frogs and birds that feed by moonlight..i don’t need to understand their meaning either, i am just happy that the night air is made sweeter, thicker somehow by their voices.
To all three poets Bob, Gracie and Civilian..you grace the pages of Burn magazine with your charm and subtle song.
your friend
kathleen
Although predominantly prepared with rice, horchata was originally made with melon seeds.
dear kat-aclysmic,
you should add jan to your poetic list and extract me… i am but a melon seed.
numerous in the whole picture but kat-astrophic if you accidentally snort me… hah
civilian,
not a total misquote:
I sing song — and feed on crickets and frogs and birds in the moonlight
jumping on a building, attracting suitor, feeling either feeling
with horchata or vodka
YAMAS!!
Your 15ft of pure snow whites..thank u Bobby (Check the new selected photo)
Gracie …”you GRACE the pages of Burn magazine with your charm and subtle song”. Thank you
Kathie …you must be on something…”don’t look for gum…honey-chilie???”. Thank you
Jan… you are a wikii:)) Thank you
Young Tom, your wish is granted …too . Thank you
Bobby …JOE is right… what’s up mate??The links, the music… You can talk to us… It’s a small circle after all..:))))
PLATO is going back home .It’s a sad , sad day for Europe that’s why …
“Lights out in Greece on March 28 Earth Hour”
VIVA EARTH , LOVE YOU ALL, GOOD ENERGY AGAIN ,LET IT FLOW, LET IT BLOW…
I am running today,
really running
wish me luck
FORMULA ONE…mates
VIVA HERVE!!!
UNION SQUARE Saks Fifth Avenue
384 Post Street
San Francisco
Am I right???
I missed my Red Devil Lounge,Amber,Hush Hush…
Good job for a boy from the kibbutz!!!!
LIGHTS OUT !!!
ACROPOLIS NO LIGHTS. Can someone find my ouzo….??????????????????????????
ok, Civilian…
so, like if anyone would know i’m not a literalist it has mustn be u, yes…so, ok, lets slip new music, instead….nothin’butthemusicaswindtonguestickinginsidethelingeringlimbsofofthealloftheuintheme…
music….what elsecanamanwithwordsarmedwithcanlunghungerfor….
music, not the vid (though they’re pretty funny2)..
it’s all i’ve ever had…
BOBBY black…
“nstead….nothin’butthemusicaswindtonguestickinginsidethelingeringlimbsofofthealloftheuintheme…
music….what elsecanamanwithwordsarmedwithcanlunghungerfor….”
Thank you!!!
My Gracie, Kathie, Jim,Haik,PD…aiaiaiiii where are you ???
I am almost out of time therefore you better tell to all that we might have a chance to go back …
back to TIMES AND TIMING… I haven’t received any confirmation yet from the big bosses…
Do. As. Harvey left Europe and he is traveling towards you …
GOOD ENERGY EVERYONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2iv_E-Fn9E
My liver is killing me I better take it easy with my ouzo…
KATHLEEN FONSECA
for all my friends…
Tom Petty and the heartbreakers – I wont back down
DON’T BE AFRAID of the civilians AND YES eventually I will fade out … so no more moderations will be needed
I love the good energy that everyone brings to BURN:)))))))))))))))
KAT you know where is the key ( under the third pot in my garden…No kidding…
Where did you learn to write like that…? Blow kisses to your babies…!!
Love you…whatever that means…
And for all my FRIENDS … He is My dreanm BOY…
The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan – 08 Bob Dylan’s Dream
for you USKOPAN…
BE HAPPY< KEEP shooting ( …not dyslexic civilians)
LOVE U ALL