Alas, David, your sense of timing and mine were not in sync this time. I had just spent a half hour writing a heartfelt response to Stephen’s photo of Auschwitz. I clicked on submit and it was gone. “Comments are closed,” it said. I am too tired to try again. I’ll return tomorrow when I feel more fresh…

Patricia

… but i do believe in the power of the photograph as a “think piece”.

“…my questions for you are simple….” Ha ha, that’s pretty funny, David!

“…does ‘news’ affect the way you think about history or do you prefer written ‘think pieces’ to help you shape your thoughts??”… Not exactly sure what you mean… but what this question brings to mind indirectly is this thought: that given enough age, experience, and perspective, ‘news’ is history… I perhaps shouldn’t generalize from personal experience, but younger people seem to see more of a separation between ‘news’ and ‘history’… when I was younger even though I was acutely aware of history, psychologically I related to it as something distinct from what was happening ‘now’… but having directly participated in a number of eras, times, events, and incidents which were ‘only news’ at the time but are now clearly seen as history, I am much more aware that it all becomes history very quickly, that in fact in large part I ‘am history’ and soon I will not only be completely ‘history’ but will also be ‘out of here’ as they say. I realize this is not the answer to the question you asked, but it seems very relevant to me.

“…is photography just in it’s infancy as a language…” I think not… maybe post-adolescence? Or, I think one could make an equally good case that photography is already having a ‘mid-life crisis’… we’ve had 150 years of photography so far and 100 years of photo magazines, photo advertising, and photo propaganda… and now with the digital revolution we not only have made taking pictures almost effortless (and virtually free), but likewise their reproduction and distribution… this will eventually change everything. What does appear to me to still be in its infancy is the ability of people to consciously think about and articulate what is going on in photographs… with all the myriad schooling we get in written forms of communication and literature, I find it a real distortion that in most countries and most school systems very little attention is given to visual literacy… Unless you specifically take courses in photojournalism, film, or art history, the subject is almost completely neglected… whereas everyone is expected to learn grammar, writing, literature, and speech in general education. There’s something very imbalanced about that, especially when you consider that written and spoken languages are so specific to particular nations and cultures, while visual languages are much more universally accessible.

“…can it editorialize the way words do??”
Of course… every picture editor knows this! (Jim??)

“…do photographs which exist only because of their historical context help us coalesce our collective conscience and “sensitize” us to help us move into a new day???” Not to sound too facetious, but if you look at it from one perspective, ALL photographs “exist only because of their historical context”… I mean, somebody had to be there and choose to click the shutter, right? And then choose to develop, print, or download and save the image… But aside from that, to directly respond to the intent of the question… that is certainly a popular idea… but if you read Susan Sontag’s later book on photography, she argues just the opposite (among other things), that photographs tend to de-sensitize us. For me, it’s an open question.

OK David, my questions for you are even simpler…! And I will try to call you Wednesday morning to get the answers….

Cheers,

Sidney

i think people see what they want to see..
photography as document, editorial and opinion does have an effect on us all – especially those of us embroiled in producing them – and perhaps the written history and photography blend to compliment each other.
however, an opposite argument can be founded for most historical events.. some are just plain wrong – holocaust deniers such as the catholic priest in the news recently – but however wrong the opinion people will still only see what they want to see.

as a sensual tool i think photography can do a great deal in illustrating and educating about the world around us.. and as such i think more emphasis needs to be placed on this new language within the school framework. visual language is such a force today and the majorities ignorance of it´s power to illustrate, inform and even manipulate is something i would love to see change.

in addition to photography and the written word informing us about history i also think films – Hollywood or wherever – have always been used.. in many instances they have the power to manipulate and editorialize just as much as photos and text.. from the staged newsreel footage of WW1 to saving private ryan.
the fictionalization of history in films could be the more powerful editorial tool perhaps.. with millions viewing a film and taking it as given that the facts held therein are accurate and represent reality, especially if the circumstance of the film is historically important.

of course film makers have no more responsibility than a historian nor photographer on educating to the whole story – we only see what we want to see – and so what it all comes down to might only be individual perspectives, which gather together.. which form the consensus of though or national consciousness which you mention david.

something which i am not certain effects the consensus of thought too much is rolling news.. 24hour stories pass too quickly to be thought about.. the news repeats itself every hour until something ´new´ happens and historical stories (gaza) soon fall off the front page when another celebrity drops their handbag.
there is a line in waking life which mentions the news.. i like it..
paraphrased it goes something like…
´the news is not there to inspire change or action, it is there to help us accept the worlds wrongs´..
if that is true then i think photography, text and perhaps film has the greatest effect.. with film being the most popular.. perhaps it is hollywood who is doing most to represent history in a form most can accommodate.

who knows.. not me..
a huge question.. a good question to think on and so i shall for the rest of the day while tackling the more mundane aspects of living, and may post again later once this initial blast of thoughts on the subject has settled a little.

david

television news is ‘news lite” especially now that we have 24 hour news programes. Instead of giving us in-depth considered information we are treated to 30 minute repeats. So yes, I prefer written think pieces.

“Is photography just in it’s infancy as a language and can it editorialize the way words do?” Can’t say if its in it’s infancy as I / we don’t know what will come next. As a language it has the power to shape our thinking much more than words (sorry Bob). Can you bring to mind iconic photographs from the Vietnam war? Yes? How about a written sentence?
“coalesce our collective conscience and “sensitize” us to help us move into a new day???” Difficult one David. On one hand we see photographs in daily life and although we may be individually moved by them they don’t seem to spur us into a particular collective action. Over time the message contained in photographs can be a catalyst for change – like on voting day!

Best wishes,

Mike.

Mike R ;))))))))….

they’re totally 2 different languages, and ways of expressing…Images shape our ways of ‘thinking’ for sure, or maybe our ways of perceiving….increasingly so as we ‘reflect’ increasingly from images rather than words…but words too are image based, just more abstract…photographs still have alot of catching up to do to reach the benchmark that ‘words’ have ‘achieved’, all the holy books are written or spoken, not distributed via images ;)))….images, though i fear, increasingly (because of our sensation) might loose their power to incite or distill or shape…the irony of their ubiquity: the more we have, the more we turn toward them and yet seem to retreat from their power or their meaning…we rarely digest them, we just lick them up….in this sense, Sidney has brilliant articulated the problem…we are a visually ‘sophisticated’ world, but a visually illiterate one too, most of us havent been taught how to read, reflect, speak about visual things, and we are fundamentally sensorial creatures…as sidney wrote, “find it a real distortion that in most countries and most school systems very little attention is given to visual literacy”….tha’s a problem…and we see it here on Burn often…

as for vietnam….my brain (like many of my generation, im 40) is seared with images from PJG (vietnam inc was the book as a teen that made me want to photograph, along with arbus’ monograph) to burrows to eddie adams to nick ut etc etc….for sure……BUT….there are writers too whove written about Nam that have accomplished as much Michael Herr (dispatches) or the books of tim o’brien or philip caputo or robert stone or tobias wolf or francis fitzgerald….no doubt Nam was a ‘visual’ war….that’s how most Americans (and others) experienced the war, through Television and through Life/Time and later books….Vietnam did for the PJ what WWI and WWII had done for the novelists….no argument there….hard to escape the visceral power of a picture, especially with War…..and you are totally correct about Nam…for sure

but ok, some quotes

“Some people just wanted to blow it all to hell, animal, vegetable and mineral. They wanted a Vietnam they could fit into their car ashtrays.’-michael herr

but that’s hard to compare with one of the photographs that still haunts me to this day…

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2960735314_04a96ebbb7.jpg

and later from PJG

http://tinyurl.com/dc57ys

cheers
bob

I think breaking news is useful in its ability to immediately inform the viewer on what is happening right now, but without the context and understanding of the long written thought pieces of journalism, breaking news becomes more noise in the air, adding to the everyday din of combating voices we all increasingly hear.
This I think is the argument for why newspapers are still relevant and important. The blogs and breaking news sites have taken much of the weight off the established papers to follow these stories, but without the writers and photographers that have been following events and history over many years, there is no contextual information for UNDERSTANDING why, these events continue to happen. Dissemination of information is at a new frontier, but the analysis and the why is why I still turn to older news sources for what they do best. Explain, contextualize and analyze the noise to bring it into its historic perspective.

John Gladdy, Nice one – no ramble. I think someone also said that history is written by the winners?

Best wishes, for today,

Mike.

I don’t like this idea where comments are separate from the piece of work I want to discuss.

Bob,
” After Dark ” has been very inspirational…

News is the froth on the surface of the sea; history happens underneath.

Hi everyone and thanks for all your responses to my work.
I feel I have to explain something more, as it seems that someone has misunderstood my intentions and go too far.
The photograph is part of a series and is the result of my intent to explore and understand how a culture different from mine relate to photography. It’s a project that I realized with a group of Muslim women in South Wales, speaking with them about photography and their levels of comfort in being subjects of my pictures. I did have a wide range of responses and my project together suggests how different Muslims interpret the holy readings. Hope this helps…

David :)))

i hear you :))…i think my comments get blocked if i post more than 1 link (this time posted to the pic of monk setting himself on fire and JPG’s pic from vietnam, inc)…i think the same happened to John vink yesterday…so, that’s the secret: i wont post more than 1 link in a comment :)))…

You COME TO TORONTO IN MAY, FOR CONTACT: May 4-May 9….

http://events.magnumphotos.com/magnum-workshop/magnum-workshop-toronto-contact

i’ll call u in 2 weeks…..will send you a digital file of interview early next week: im being shot on vid early next week…

running
hugs
bob

David,

I didn’t meant to say that viewing works here doesn’t make me create. On the contrary! What I meant was that I have 2 or 3 personnal subjects unfinished that need funding so that I’m able to finish them, but I don’t think they are really important subjects when I compare them with what’s show here (e.g. the essay of Lisa really wothwhile be funding comparing to some of my subjects like fishermen’s villages disapearing or portuguese rockabillies). Meanwhile I’m always doing small photojournalism essays to make a living, while my personal work holds for better days :)

I live in Portugal, between Spain and the Atlantic Ocean. When do you come to our small country so that we can meet again? I don’t think you remember reviewing my portfolio in Perpignan 2 years ago…it’s been a long time since then. Perhaps you’ll do a workshop in Portugal some day?

my only real worry with all comments in one place was in part a problem with roadtrips – things moving too fast and huge numbers of comments in one sweep.
with time zones and digression it could be the case that reading through all comments to find the ones which interest might become a job in itself.. whereas with the seperate discussions under work posted and then the more general discussions here made it easy to navigate within a 5 minuet break from being elsewhere occupied.

anyroad.. haveing them all in one place does have it’s benefits as well, which i’m aware of.. so..

does “news” affect the way you think about history or do you prefer written “think pieces” to help you shape your thoughts??

This may have been said earlier, but I confess I have not have time to read all of the comments.

If I am understanding what you are asking, I think news gets my thought process going and it directs me toward a subject, but the think pieces give the news more depth.

is photography just in it’s infancy as a language and can it editorialize the way words do??

Photography is certainly not in its infancy as a language, and I think it can obviously editorialize. I think
most documentary photographers and photojournalists can tend to editorialize to some point. After all we all have a point if view about the story or subject we are photographing and we are doing so as “we” see them or the subject. We all try to be fair and balanced but there is always going to be a tendency to view a subject from our own internal feelings and that is going to come out in the images.

do photographs which exist only because of their historical context help us coalesce our collective conscience and “sensitize” us to help us move into a new day???

I need to think about that one some more and I really need to get back to work…..

Hey Mike :))))

nice parry :))))…i LOVE Burrows…all, the b/w and his later color and the ‘crucifixion/pieta” picture you’ve linked to is not only one of THE iconic images of war and Nam, but for me, one of the 4 or 5 images that are always in my skull when i read books on Nam (along with Nick Ut’s shot of the Kim Phuc and the other children running from their village after the napalm dropping, eddie Adams photograph of General Nguyễn Ngọc Loan executing Nguyễn Văn Lém, Ronald L. Haeberle shots of My Lai, JPG’s shot i linked too and Huet’s shot from below the helicopter), but there are so many photographs and photographers who MADE Nam ‘real’ for me….JPG is one of the books that i hold most dear, because of his use of words and images, an extraordinary document and testimony and also fevered by a moral conviction and tenacity that is uncommon in many photographic monographs. But, my head is bloated with images from that war, and yes, the photographs made it for me, and probably for most of us, for my generation especially, the children of the men and women who went to vientam. My father’s generation, the ones of that generation, still relied on words: stories of the war. And in fact, the stories and the words are what first defined the war for me: as a kid listening to stories my fathers friends told, as a teenager talking to kids from vietnam who survived the war…my town was filled with vietnamese boat children. And, strangely, it is the words that i again and again return to. Last year, i read Tom Bissell’s remarkable book ‘The Father of All Things’ (about his father and vietnam) and this in the beginning of this year i read Andrew X. Pham’s magisterial “The Heaves of Heaven” (a memoir of his father’s life through the 3 wars that carved upon the back and soul of vietnam, the war against the french, the civil war and then the war with the americans) and last year i read Pham’s ‘Catfish and Mandala’….so you see, it is still the words that continue to return for me, again and again and again…but for many of us (americans) that war was defined by photographs and later films…(i cant think of nam without thinking of Apocalypse Now or The Deer Hunter, full metal jacket, coming home…or even the movies which i did not like so much, platoon, hamburger hill, gardens of stone, in country, etc…or all the great documentaries (i think i’ve seen them all)…so my head is filled with imagery….but, alas….i want to share with you part of a great documentary about Vientam, that uses words AND images to make a very important point….

from the extraordinary movie, Dear America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41i9-MqR1Lc

anyway, the problem though is that we are, as Sidney so beautifully articulated, being saturated by images (im a fault maker in this too) but we are visual creatures…even our minds, produce images, and we do get the news, get ideas, get ideas, increasingly through images….and yet, how quick to they vanish…how much time to look at Vietnam Inc.(without reading)….15 minutes, 10 minutes…how much time if you take the time to read it…how long to read Tim O’brien…how much time to read the great books produced by vietnamese writers and their children….after university, i hunted for as many books as i could written by Vietnamese….and i still hunt for these books…and how remarkable….how remarkable those stories are…how INCREDIBLY DIFFERENT they are compared with the images that i grew up with…

if you read ‘The Eves of Heaven” you will never again think the same about the wars….which is not to undercut the remarkable work done by Stone and Smith and Huet and Burrows and PJG and Faas and Tim Page and Capa and Flynn and Huynh Thanh My and McCullen and Chapelle and all the others…it is just that pictures, as our only way to get at things is slippery…just as slippery as words….

and this thing about words…we are visual creatures and we are creatures of story and the funny thing is that, late into the night, most people don’t trouble themselves over what images create, point to them, but they struggle with the stories they’ve been told (what else is god, but the story of ourselves)….that’s the thing…and increasingly, as images pervade, we ironically (or paradoxically) stay with them less and less…we consume more and more and value them less and less and reflect upon them less and less….

I’m a story teller, using both photographs and words….if you ask me truthfully, if i had to desist one or the other, which would i choose….i’d give up my cameras….and talk out into the dark ;)))))

great conversation Mike :))) a very important one :)))

and yes, i know gibson’s work, both the beautiful stuff….and the stuff i dont like much (like this book about pictures of guitars….or women’s breasts/hips/butts ;))…

hugs
bob

by the way, i think that it should be an obligation of EVERY american, if they have the means, to make a pilgrimage to each and every nation that that country was involved in a war…at least within my lifetime, i plan to go to vietnam, to iraq, to el salvador and nicaragua and to israel/palestine ….i’ve spent a lot of my life reading about vietnam and creating relationship and friendships with people who served there and who lived there….the truth is i dont want to rely on photographs to teach and tell me things, i want to process that experience throught the stories of others, through the experiences of people whose lives and experiences are different from my own….the sad fact of Vietnam is that most americans still only process the war in terms of the 58,000 americans who died there, without contemplating the 4,000,000 vietnamese who died, or the 1-2 million lao and cambodians drawn in and affected by the war ….staggering tolls of death and loss….is sit any wonder, as a nation, C.America, S.America and Iraq happened….that’s still the problem for me, especially with images, we processes it through our own filters (as i’ve written ad naseum ;) here)….that’s the dilemma….

how to use the language of images to get at the complexity and ambiguity and interpretive complexity that all experience requires, or is, a priori, by definition itself….

photography hasn’t even yet begun to emerge to deal with that, not wholly yet….and maybe, it shall not….

maybe, like McCormac predicts in the The Road, in the cold silence of time, we shall eventually cling to our word-bread for sustenance, for the ‘thinnness’ of images will starve us….

as a photographer, i struggle with this a great deal…
cheers
bob

David – Great questions. I’m curious; are you implying a distinction between the kind of “photographs which exist only because of their historical context” and a different kind of photograph?

I’m not sure I understand what you mean when you refer to ” photograph which exist only because of their historical context.”

Could you elaborate?

All the best,

Adam

Ben:

I agree….though i dont think it has much to do with the old days of ‘road trip’…in the sense of members club…i aint a member of noone’s club…just way too talkative, for anyone’s good ;))…same happens with ALL environments (same happens at HCSP or Magnum or Lightstalkers or shit, the watering hole around the corner from our apartment): it’s just a dynamic…but it has nothing to do with some club, for sure….but u r right, i think there should be COMMENTS under photographs/essays…or at least threads dedicated to those…i think what happened here, was in one day, 2 essays, 2 pictures and then a question about history and all kinds of other topics broke out…in this sense, that was RoadTrips…but, well…i dont know any real perfect vehicle to harness (on the web) both pics and conversations….

for me, it’s always, if it aint broke then….

ok, off for 3 days (promise)…photo/writing/family stuff to finish…

running
b

and i should say that if my extended comments have at all made others feel like this is some club, i will totally stop, …i’m down with that, it’s the last thing i’d ever want to foster an impression of…

’cause im up with burn, real….

said enough, 4 sure
cheers, bob

well David you know that “sticky” time is skewed because of Bob and Panos….

Just kidding. But I do wonder if I am ever fortunate enough to sit and talk with Bob live and in person… do I get a bathroom break? Again, just kidding Bob… except for the sitting around and talking part. Looking forward to that one day!

Kinda like herding cats, huh David.

yes Bob…
its all your fault…
please stop writing here…
you should totally stop..
you are creating a club here..
Look at me for example…
i havent talked or posted a comment for ALMOST 3 MONTHS NOW…
JUST FOLLOW MY LEAD…there are people here thirsty to write
but you dont let them… its your fault bob… go away…
again, my last comment posted here was 3 maybe 4 months ago…
have respect … DO just like me….
( my oh my… is that the new definition of LAZINESS here…”club”???…
or the “boogeyman” wont let me blog???
;-)

… nothing happened … its just this place is a club… they dont want me here…
nobody’s playing with me….Ouahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!

….and speaking of clubs… Leica lovers…
let me do a little plug here…for my beloved german little company..
new firmware 2.004 today… DISCREET MODE… available…for M8…
aint that good news…?? or what ?
viva Leica!

Jared … what are you doing here??
Did you pay your membership here???? we ( I ) accept ONLY cash…
tHIS IS A “CLUB” my friend and you are not suppose to write here or comment
unless you “call panos” first…
is that too much to ask????????????????

… me too…;)

this one for YOU & ME Robert…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIsou0IRIQU

( oh i forgot to say, “with love”)

this one goes to my buddy Anton…

To the artist in all of us…

http://www.alanstreets.com/Alan_Streets_Videos/My_Name_Is_Alan_Video_1.swf

DAH

Sorry for the confusion, I mean you click on “times and timing” or “clear eyes” — a topic under Dialogue — not actually “topic”

The point being that the reader has to actively open comments to see them, either way.

so IF there’s going to be comments, the less confusing way the better.

Either way, we’ll find a way to talk…

I like the new system. Its like Road trips which was far easier to follow. I agree David, if we miss he new comments section we might miss an important posting. Keep it like this.

Rafal…
i missed Roadtrips… i missed the times that u were calling me names…
i missed your work… i missed your feisty personality… i missed friends like you…
coz you are pushing me further… i will never forgive you for intentionally ignored my venice…
this one is for you…

okay so “club” was the wrong word.

that’s just how it appeared. its not the end of the world if you have “silent” viewers, not at all; but i do think that some people with potentially fresh perspectives on work might be too intimidated to comment.

that’s all.

as jared mentioned – a separate comments thread away from the main page of the relevant photo essay would perhaps work, and allow for more focussed commentary.

this current format perhaps sharpens a perceived “club mentality” (yes that word again – but this time coupled with the word “Perception”!) to those who currently do not comment, just due to the fact that the conversation is a bit “all over the place” and impenetrable…

:-) peace and love everybody…

Good points Bob. Your words are from “think pieces” as DAh put it, rather than “news”. Some photographs become think pieces too and these are the ones we tend to quote. Don’t you find it odd that we have photographic exhibitions but not word exhibitions? I’m sure that much classic writing was laid down on newsprint; wouldn’t it be good to see it writ large on a gallery wall, just for a change?

Have you see this from Beverly Spicer at the Digital Journalist Bob?

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0711/ebits.html

Which way does she spin for you? I’m definitely right side. She always spins clockwise for me – unless I start to read the words – then she spins anti-clockwise, but as soon as I look back to her she returns to clockwise. Very interesting.

Mike.

Akaky; “News is the froth on the surface of the sea; history happens underneath” I love that!!

I think history provides a reference point to what is happening now and for the future. You need hard news to inform, but you need deeper pieces to understand.

Same with photography. We need the daily news images to inform us as to what is happening in the world, but we also need the Eugene Richards to give us a deeper understanding.

Take the Boxing Day tsunami for example. It was horrific, but even more so because we had so much live coverage and the footage was so dramatic. A short time later an earthquake hit Pakistan and received minimal coverage. Yet it’s thought that about the same number of people perished in that disaster, but of course no dramatic footage was taken of the event. And of course, there weren’t a lot of Western tourists amongst the fatalities.

I think we need to take all news coverage with a grain of salt whether it’s Fox or Al Jazeera. Most rational people can make a considered decision on the item’s validity.

The old saying “those who forget history are doomed to repeat it” is valid, but human nature being what it is I think the sad fact is that history has a habit of repeating. Look at Rwanda and what can be done with “primitive” weapons.

All photos editorialise to some extent, you’d have to be a pretty cold person to not let a glimmer of a bias show through.

Photography being a new medium certainly helped its impact during the Vietnam War; it provided a fresh view of reality. I don’t think photography has lost its edge; it’s just that a large proportion of humankind has lost its humanity. Look out for number one and if it doesn’t affect me why worry? Especially in countries like mine (NZ); wealthy and complacent because we have been fortunate not to have had conflict on our shores for over a hundred years.

Just my two cents worth,

Cheers

Definitely chronological. I’ve never liked the threaded approach.

I think photos need context if they are going to be used as more than artifacts because their meaning is malleable over time and from viewer to viewer. Words may also need historical context to understand their meaning, but a written essay is far more concrete in meaning than a photo. Take Smith’s “Minamata” for example. In a hundred years, stripped of explanation, the context of the photos would be completely lost.

Panos, it appears you are right! Fuck, I got messed up. Listen, let me look at it again and write something this weekend, OK?

David. Thank you for taking the time to look at slashdot.

The issue with the ‘recent comments,’ is with the pace of comments, thankfully this is a busy site but the lists for the selected essays, and selected photos are going to be less dynamic, so contributors are possibly going to notice the updates much easier. A little red dot (keeping with the theme of the site, and it isn’t to distracting) could indicate that there are new comments, each time a user of this site logs in.

The reason why I didn’t comment on the 3 pieces of work so far are because the 2 singles haven’t really provoked me into commenting. I liked the essay, but I didn’t want to contradict myself by saying I didn’t like the current comment system, and to then comment on the essay! :-)

Thank you David

Thanks, Panos…anyway my not writing there was an oversight…I know there were discussions on HCSP and also here and I wrote a lot about my distaste for anonymous lowlife cowards taking pot shots at your essay. I just assumed I wrote about the essay too…Ill get to it as soon as I can.

panos.. ahh –
re-read and i think you might be the one with a problem towards me.. although you do like to play the victim, it has to be said.

i still have to prove my words with photos..
okay bud..
http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/
from late last years editing.. probably 350 photos and counting, although i stopped posting the blog when i began editing from contacts.

you´re a good performer panos

p.s. TYPO: I MEANT: MIKE :)))…i’ll take alook today an see which way i spin and write u sunday :))))…THANKS FOR THE LINK….running

bob

one of the more memorable illustrations for me regarding page was he and another photographer taking photos of a young girl in the back of a truck who had been inadvertently (? hmm) killed by a u.s. gunship..
he used colour and his colleague used black and white for the same snaps to compare who could sell the picture better..
to me that speaks volumes about brutality, the horror of war photography and the impotence felt by journalists covering that war..

he has worked hard at gaining respect for the journo´s who died there and brings so much to the table in terms of honesty regarding war reporting..

i think of his honesty in talking about the fun they had there – covered in herrs dispatches – which, after reading, helps looking at the work of war photographers crystallize with respect to their intentions.. who is there for the extreme-sport and who is there for more philosophical reasons.

enjoy work..
d

laura

that is the way it can get with publications.. so right..
in a way i was lucky because my working life developed from a personal project and the briefs from clients were always pretty loose..
the way it began to work for me involved shooting for the client – dj´s bands and artists… smiling people.. for around 15 mins and then spending the rest of the night/weekend photographing for myself.

my understanding was that they would only ever use 5 or 6 photos and if i could take 300 or more i´d be happy.
it worked well although i was daft and deleted digital scans which were ´unsaleable´ and so i have been going back through stuffed neg files to source the ones i took for myself.

i guess i was lucky in the respect of my clients and where i came from photographically, since i have always photographed my own life and allowed that to evolve organically to wherever it has taken me.. working for a newspaper must have been a tough exercise in many respects i would not understand.. work blending with personal projects as it did for me.

i´m going to post something i worked on this past week to canvas for opinions soon.. :ø)

i live between the u.k. and norway right now and would love to meet.. will be over during the summer for certain and so drinks with ben, joe, yourself and whomever might be available at the time must happen.

david

Panos, you might want to look at

http://we-english.co.uk/blog/?p=490

Ian

David….

Create a new category in the column to the left called “Essay Discussions” or something like that and every time you post a photo or essay, also create a new post under that so people can discuss the specific work. That way you get no comments under the photos and also are able to keep the discussion on track for each subject. I would leave dialog as a place for random discussions and insist that people post there when not commenting on a particular work under the new category.

Your thoughts?

Pete, that sounds like an excellent idea. That way we can have our cake and eat it too. Keep the front page and essays/selected photos clean and have specific discussions on each one as well. It would also allow for the photographers who do not want their work commented upon. There would simply be no link from their essays/selected photos to the discussions thread. The best of both worlds.

Patricia

ps – i mumble – i know..
http://bophoto-mumblings.blogspot.com/2009/03/editing-comments-sought-please.html

DAVID

When you go to NYC this weekend I hope the Magnum office will be open so you can pick up the video mini-cassette I sent you. If not, maybe Michael C. could pick it up for you another time. Thanks.

Patricia

David, I just read your latest comment. I actually have NEVER figured out how you do everything you do, but somehow you manage to make it look easy. And now you’re going into overdrive! Sweet that you have your beach home and its wonderfully physical demands as a foil for all the rest. Enjoy!

hugs
Patricia

thanks david
i’m really close to ready.. going to organize an 80 photo edit tomorrow .. sequencing today.. which will form the basis of an exhibit application for visa.. chancing my arm, i know.. goo dplace for us to start though, i hope.

SPAIN.. hmm.. i do love it.. kind to ask.. thanks.
i am tied up with teaching and moving to bergen (moving again..) until the 19th of this month.. after which i could be able to visit on a 2 or 3 day trip..
where will you be and on what dates?
i’ll check flights..

i could always use photographing another festival in spain :o)

david

.. or i could try and get collage to buy you flights from spain for a day or two in norway, if you’d place a fire under some of my students for me :o)

fishing weather getting better and better.
d

glad you read my email panos..

now.. onward..

the guys who the vid belongs to have submitted it to burn for inclusion thankfully..
it’s here.

http://www.1854.eu/2009/02/censored_art_work_at_derby_fes.html

it well deserves an airing.

david

David B,
for real???????
too long BOBUS style emails…
hmmm…
either way, love u man… it was that “dog” thing that i obviously got it completely wrong…
sometimes i act like a sensitive little biatchhh myself…
I agree with ian too ( except from the “pseudo friends” )… but you can inform him
about our real life connections too..he is just new…i guess
and i know i will have a real beer with you sooner or later…
peace

(Ian, checking your blog right now, thanks again for posting )

Panos, Hi
I must clear things up, I wouldn’t be so presumptious as to post my blog here. the blog I posted is for a fine photographer and his views on editing.

If you want to see my pics you can look at http://www.aitkenimages.co.uk

cheers

Ian

the strange things about the chats on ‘family photos’ here recently is that it is where burn started – with ANTON and sugar..
family snaps..

the more personal the better..
i wish anton had more time to be here actually.
d

I’m of the opinion that comments should appear,chronologically below the relevant image
or story.
I’m going to push Pete’s comment on adding a new sidebar category and suggest it go a little
farther.

At the risk of offending anyone I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that day in/day out
Panos and Bob Black are among the most prolific posters here-Panos for sheer number of posts
that consistently seem to ignite a spark under some peoples asses
and Bob for unbelievable stamina in piecing together words and thoughts that provoke new tangents
of discussion.

Unfortunately,my impression (and I may be incorrect) is that (A) these type of posts sometimes
steer discussion in a direction away from the image/story in play and (B) the posts contain
very interesting commentary that will, unfortunately get lost in the shuffle after a week or so
once discussions more on the new images/stories.

As such, I think these two individuals warrant their own editorial ‘columns’ where each can
really showcase, and contain, their respective styles.

For Panos I would suggest calling it ‘PanoRamble’ where he could package his thoughts,links,
and life in one semi-continuous stream of iPhone style texting dialogue.
Respondents in his column would be obliged to format their responses and dialogue in brief
semi-sentences and novel use of punctation.
Rules would be few and dialogue intense kinda like extreme fighting

For Bob, I would suggest ‘Black Ops’ or ‘Bone Shaker’
Bob has an amazing ability to source and present to many of us still,video, and written content that would
otherwise slip below the radar for many of us more old school mainstream types.
I really enjoy following your links in the assorted threads but,as mentioned, feel that many of
these valuable links and suggestions will be lost in a short timeframe and a better use of your
knowledge would be to contain this information in a more ‘structured’ place.
Of course, responses in your threads would be restricted to those willing to put in the time
to adhere to a 200 word minimun and accurate punctuation :>))

Panos,
not sure if this is getting through, nothing is showing up in this thread, So I have posted again.

Sorry for shouting I just want to make sure there are no misunderstandings.

I MUST CLARIFY….that is not my blog…god I wish it was, he’s a great photographer.

If you want to see my work http://www.aitkenimages.co.uk

cheers

Ian

martin..

you are right that it is the mix which makes burn so good.. balancing act though it is.

i have been thinking about chris steele perkins great book echos.. with regard to personal work..
it is such a pleasure to flick through and has all the hallmarks of a great book which is bumbling along at a pace we can all see.

personal work is fascinating.. shows us all what we can do..

“photographers are human beings with the flickering sight of a raptor`s eye, scanning the horizon and the nest.”

AND the nest.. love it..
david

Mr Harvey/Anton, I just emailed the text.

David,
great effort editing 10 years worth of pics, good luck with the whole project.

Editing is a nightmare, it is bad enough when using film and you might be a little cautious with the number of images shot, but with the digital era upon us and the exponential increase of images, real mind bender.

Sometimes I resort to the Rankin technique of letting others decide.

oh, Ian,
i need to wake up myself….
making coffee now….

David,
Very generous.

Cheers

Ian

DAH…
Mark is NOT “tongue in cheek”….yOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED but there are actually people
out there that like me….( they are there..supporting me… even if i have to pay them!!!!!!!!)
Mark means it and i thank him for that… Ultimate recognition….
But i agree with you too…
You can give “my” column to Akaky….
He deserves it….
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

ian – also

i remember a documentary about salgardo where he supported a small industry who carried out his editing for him, and it disappointed me a little.. not to say i do not love his work..
seeing his contact sheets during the film was fascinating – aiming at 3 or 4 usable shots per roll and so only slightly different framing of 3 or 4 scenes on the roll.. taught me a great deal about how to shoot..

d

ok… one last plug before i retire and pass the torch and my column to Akaky…

“SLIDELUCK POTSHOW Spring Update

*Salutations*

As with just about everybody else, we have been doing what we can to weather the long, tumultuous winter. We hope you too are beginning to see the first glimpses of Spring along the horizon.

This period of hibernation has actually been quite fruitful in many ways. Slideluck Potshow is in the process of acquiring full non-profit status and is applying for a number of grants. SLPS can also now be found on Wikipedia, Twitter and Facebook. We have also expanded the format of the SLPS Network site in new and exciting directions:

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Featured Artist of the Week- Rachel Been interviews Andy Freeberg of SLPS San Francisco
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Featured Dish- Michele Giordano brings a foodie perspective to the table and speaks with Heather Christo
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Grants- Vital 5’s Arbitrary Art Grant, Women in Photography Project Grant
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Calls for Entries- Fovea’s Projection Series, David Alan Harvey’s Burn magazine, Eleanor Magazine
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Education- Everything is Yellow webinar for creative professionals
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Arts Events- Jonathan Torgovnik at Aperture, Visual Morphology at Klompching, IAVAW at Powerhouse

But most importantly, this network is for you, so please don’t hesitate to put it to use!

Slideluck Youth Initiative in the Lower East Side

Photos by SLYI Mentor Jason Gardner

As previously mentioned, last fall we launched the Slideluck Youth Initiative to foster creative expression and empower NYC students through the use of photography and multimedia storytelling. Thanks so much to our site coordinators, mentors, visiting artists, and everyone involved in making it such a success! On Friday, March 20th, we will be presenting students’ work from all of our sites at a slideshow potluck at The Educational Alliance in the Lower East Side. And in true Slideluck fashion, we have invited a number of other youth photography programs, both local and international, to present work alongside our students. This should be an amazing event and if you are interested in supporting or learning more about it, please contact us.

With Spring comes a whole new crop of Slideluck Potshows:

March 20: SLYI Slideluck Potshow at The Educational Alliance, NYC
April 25: SLPS Portland III at Sandbox Studio
May 21: SLPS Barcelona III at MauMau Underground
May 30: SLPS Seattle Vol. II, no. XIII at Ouch My Eye Studio
TBA: SLPS New York XIII, SLPS San Francisco II, SLPS Missoula, SLPS Panama II, SLPS Jackson Hole,
SLPS Los Angeles VI, SLPS Abu Dhabi, SLPS London II, SLPS Austin II, SLPS Dubai, SLPS Seville II

Keep checking the Network as shows are continually being added and finalized! And please don’t hesitate to contact us if you are interested in membership, sponsorship, or getting involved on some other level.

Thanks very much for your time and we hope to see you soon! Lastly, we leave you with a question:
What more embodies the spirit of these times than a potluck?

Warm Regards,
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Hi all! I liked it much better with the comments under the story/photo because like this the focus goes too mutch here and there and is very hard to follow the discussions… anycase… Grate story from Laura as always. One of the reason why I like her work is because is made with the heart. Unfortunately this days in the magazines I always see photos that look like made thinking how they should be to be published. Is depressing. Fortunately there is internet and we can leave the magazines in the shops and look at grate pictures for free ;-)

Albertina wrote,
“Fortunately there is internet and we can leave the magazines in the shops and look at grate pictures for free”

Very true. The internet has provided a platform for a much wider spectrum of work to be viewable
than was ever possible with print.

One problem, as I see it, is that as the internet gains traction and more and more print publications fold
how will photographers such as Laura, to name one, be able to finance future great pieces that we are
fortunate to view for free?

Panos;
Many of us read but don’t post all that often. I read every day but am often too busy working (photographing/writing) to post. Also, I live in a rural area and can only get dial-up, so it’s extremely difficult viewing the essays.

I’m here for the learning experience that David has so graciously provided us. The EPF does not form a part of the Burn experience for me, I’m quite happy forging my own way and standing on my own feet. But I do appreciate that the EPF is a wonderful initiative.

Everyone; feedback needed please!!!

As I can’t return to Timor for awhile I have started a new project titled “The Kids Are Alright”, the overview is below. It is a VERY loose edit; the project is in its embryonic stage and I’m sort of feeling my way at the moment. I’m interested in what you all think of the project idea.

Overview;

“Due to unseen circumstances I am unable to continue my Timor Leste project for approximately six months. Consequently I decided I needed a new project (that I feel is important) to work on in conjunction with the Timor Leste project.

I decided to explore a “foreign” culture at home. At my age, youth culture (14-ish to 26-ish) is foreign to me, but I am interested in how things have changed (or not changed) through the years.

I couldn’t really decide on the focus though; it’s a monumental subject that could be a lifetime body of work. I was watching a “Who” concert DVD one night and they began to play the song “The Kids are Alright” (one of my favourites), and it hit me…

That song clinched it for me. I have long believed that the kids are indeed alright, but get a real bad rap, whereas most just get on with life.

Pete Townshend’s words continually inspire me. To me, Pete Townshend is the rock/pop “poet” who best sums up what it’s like to be young and searching for your life’s path.

The movie and album; “Quadrophenia” was a pivotal portion of my youth, and is an inspiration to me. I’ve often said I’d love for my images to look the way Pete Townshend’s lyrics sound.

Sure kids rebel, but didn’t most of us when we were that age? Due to good luck or fortune, we mostly escaped pretty much unscathed…Hopefully I’m not too old to relate to their lives and worries.

So now I seek out the late night haunts, the beaches, the garage band practice sessions, jams, underground music venues etc to show that “The Kids Are Alright”

PS: I have mostly been focussing on “entertainment” based good times but feel I need to expand the topic and see where it leads. I will be shooting quieter “home based” images, but so much of our youth’s fun times start at midnight!!

One idea is to seek out some young single mums (and mums & dads) who are doing well but are usually stereotyped as “bad”. Especially the whole “solo mums are bludgers” stigma. I think it will work in well and hopefully blow a few stereotypes wide open.

I will also be spending time with twin brothers who have managed a remote backcountry sheep station on their own since the age of 15 (they are around 17 now). Again, I think it will be ripe for good images.

http://www.lightstalkers.org/galleries/contact_sheet/18440

Thank you everyone.

Mark… I have no clue :-/ Hopefuly things will change one day, otherwise I guess that most of us will just give up to be professional, will shoot during free time and share pictures in websites in websites like this one… The only thing that we can do is to try to do ouer best to help things to change ;-)

Jim, yes most of us (cannot speak for everybody, anycase) wuold like to make money with ouer work, find sponsors, ecc… cause this is the only way to be photographers full time…

David, i think you should just keep the comments on below each post. not sure why its so complicated to resolve. i think to force the direction of the dialog is a bit big brotherish. I find it more liberating to be able to comment below the images or text that I want, and not be herded into one big pen.
I may not feel to comfortable about making a comment on some set of images when the topic is off on another thread.
also I think you should have some kind of automated response that lets people know that their submission has been received, like at tiny vices they automatically send out a courtesy notice to let you know that the work or link has arrived on their desk. leaving people hanging is a bit lame.
as for laura’s work, its not really my cup of tea. I prefer a more objective descriptive style of photography. there is that word again rearing its ugly head, “objective”, and further more used in subjective context. all I can say is if i like something or don’t and give the reasons why.

best,

DAH – QUESTION…

You had mentioned you were considering extending the deadline for epf, any thoughts as if you will actually do this? I apologize as I feel like this is all I ever write about these days, but things have been (good) busy and I am trying to budget my time. Am trying to read / look / respond as best I can..thanks..

ALL

I just realized that part of my trouble keeping up now is that I can HEAR so many of your voices and see your faces and it takes longer to read, to get your accents just right. It feels a bit like a madhouse in my head :)

If infancy is related to a number of years , as compared to years of adulthood, then just as a nation might still be in infancy (like the USA, oft-projected to son regress already from that state of infancy, at barely over 200 YO, whereas 5000YO+ China and India would be the upcoming reigning civilizations, ie Pacific century spearheads)), then Photography is indeed an infant, compared to many other artistic expressions. Personally, I disagree, I do not think infancy in human activities and history of nations has to do with longevity, but maturity. And I do think photography most surely attained maturity a good 70 years ago, under the fingers and agility of people like Cartier-Bresson. Maybe it is the way and what we do with images taken with a canera that is in its infancy. That we react way too emotionally (cry, laugh, gawk, etc… like toddlers do instantly for the meagerest reasons), and are too easily “propagandized” by “strong” images.

This may lead to wonder if much photography could actually lessen, not heighten, our sense of questionning and critical reasonning (i mean millions looking at photos, not the few hundred cognoscenti we are here on Burn).

Instant “news” images that speak of a moment of/within history, IMO, gather up vintage and strength with the years, and become as potent as written “think” pieces. By virtue of leaving their timeliness and contemporary purposefulness, they acquire perenniality and realize all the potentiality within them, mirroring our very humanity, warts, beauty and all.

To sum up, I think a photo acquires its greatness when it outlasts its actuality.

BTW, talking about Vietnam, The little boy in the forefront of Ut’s famous
girl in the picture” shot, is what haunts me the most, not the naked girl running, horrified that it is too. But we are, with this boy’s mouth diformed by fear and chaos, clearly, OBVIOUSLY, in the same century that had Eduard Munch paint the “scream”. That is the perennilaity that haunts me in this image.

I also think we should never visit another country in ethno-centrist mode (be it in self-flagellating fashion), ie. as americans, to quote Bob. Best going there as a human being, and leave what we think we know, or even know for sure, at home. IMO and IMExperience.

(long reply…. I must be back in San Francisco)

Herve,
interesting to note the relationship that photography has to technology and modernity in general.
it may be young compaired to weaving or blowing glass, but it is very much a sign of the times. and it always has been. rejected by so many established artists for being to real or modern.
its a product of the age, and crafted in science.

jim – you remind me of jack dee..
brilliant stand-up
:o)

Herve,

I just printing fishermans photos, and looked at your webiste so my thought are with you my friend.
Yes… I will repeat myself, I wish to see your blog with photos from your amazing trip, you are real traveler. I am imressed yours last portaits. This was good trip. I wish to go more.
My wife want to go to sri lanca at the end of this year but I am broke now so it is far away, you will go to india at the end of the year, or maybe sri lanca?

greetings with glass of rum in my hand my friend :)

David,

I have no idea what “big brotherish” means, I can’t translate it. I hope it is just missunderstanding.

David,

I see you have similar nature like me…
“it is also not my nature to hold a grudge against anyone for anything”…
I quickly forgott why I was angry and for what.
Sometimes is is good, sometimes it’s not.
Inside famili it is treasure.

DAH–

i think you are one of the most fantastic teachers i know of
“how to be a human being.”

you have ALL my respect,

katia

David… in case you missed it a couple of pages back, I tried to better explain what I was talking about… David,

First, I meant right side, not left when taking about categories…

Ok here is what I mean.

You have a category called “Dialog” on the right side of the blog. This is great and this is where your questions to readers can be posted as you do and where all random conversations can take place.

Now, also on the right side, create another category called whatever you like (but something that makes it clear that this is where critiques and comments about the particular work is to be made), and under that you would have posts titled the same as the actual essay or photograph post. Here is where people discuss the work featured on Burn. Make it a separate section in the right column like you do with Dialog.

And also you would turn off comments directly under each essay or photograph post.

I would direct readers to the discussion section by mentioning it in each essay or photo post. I think there is probably a way to link straight to it from the essay posting.

does this make sense?

David, sorry if i offended, i love the forum and have much respect for you and the fellow photogs that read and post so thoughtfully here. there are some incredible minds here and i find myself sometimes baffled by the depth of comments.
as for the comments format, this is your ship man and you steer it how you like. you opened it up to the group for input and thats what you got. like you said ultimately you are the one who can hit the delete button, and decide wether to meet or not etc.

best,

DAVID: check ur voice mail…just left u a message….

WROBERT & ALL:

david doesnt need my words, for sure, to support him, but just gotta remind everyone a simple thing that maybe people do not always appreciate: DAVID AND ANTON are working 24/7 on this magazine…in ways that the audience as no idea…i mean like real 24/7 and it aint for them…and i dont say this ’cause i write here or cause i know them or cause i had work here, but as a photographer, as a writer, as alover of photography, i know how much this young mad Magazine has begun to contribute…and if it aint perfect, it’s because there aint nothing perfect on this blue marble, except Peter Luger sauce and my wife’s smile, and god damn, that’s some pretty wicked sweet stuff, and ALL OF THIS is for US…not for Harvey, Not for Magnum, for Us….and i dont think we remember that enough….and a quick word abut Dave Harvey:

Not Dave Harvey Magnum Dude, not Dave Harvey Divided Soul or Cuba or NG magazine, Not Workshop Dave Harvey, but Dave Harvey the guy, the guy i’ve known for 3 years (god, is it that long??), the guy i met in person, the guy i hugged, talked with…and yes, the guy I also had ‘disagreements” with…and I can tell you one simple thing about him: He has the biggest heart (next to my wife’s) i know. I mean, he WILL do whatever he can for someone and if David has been trying to change burn it isnt to manipulate or control or perfect burn but to make the magazine easier for his readers, contributors, photographers, whater….David aint a playa, he’s a pretty much straight shooter…believe me, i know…i’ve gone to the mat for him and with him and yes, he NEVER holds grudges and i know wrobert might have chosen poor words (shit, i do that all the time here, remember ‘anemic’ ;))), but please know that david does it for each of us….and god damn, if you gotta have a cowboy in your stampede, you’d be hard pressed to find a guy in the next saddle over bette3r….if there would be one dude i’d let surf with my son, he’d be the guy….

ok, gotta fly…

hugs all

b

bobb–

FUCK YEAH!!!

:)))

Well, Bob, behind the scene, David has been the object of the most scathing and unfair judgement, at some point last year. From the very people he brought so much encouragement. This surprised and hurt a few of us, who got word of it, as David deserves anything but admiration and respect. Rest assured that the vast majority, if not all (including Wrobert, I have no doubt) of us, know, appreciate and do not need to be reminded of the man’s generosity and giving nature.

Bob, you throw up some delicious literary utterances.

David, many thanks for the kind words. it would truly a great honor to have a photo in the magazine.
i will keep my fingers crossed.

best,

BuRN is on fire..
love all the passionate voices..
yes
no
and
maybe so…
I think it is great…
love the fire burning~
HOT!!!
**
David B
have to watch your piece again,
but am anxious to share my thoughts…
love what you’ve done with the audience
being your focus…
As a music lover myself
and being back stage at concerts,
the audience IS where the action is at…
ALWAYS!!
**

Yeah, yeah. We all love David. :)

Now, who brought the beer?

David,

Interesting evening to come home and read your latest instigation of a conversation around

is photography just in it’s infancy as a language and can it editorialize the way words do?? do photographs which exist only because of their historical context help us coalesce our collective conscience and “sensitize” us to help us move into a new day???

as I just got back from listening to a lecture by the curator of the George Eastman house talking about the history and significance of photographic magazines. Looking at the classic Eugene Smith stories – Iwo Jima, Spanish Village, Country Doctor – as they were originally laid out really drove home the power and incomparable quality of news told through the still image. And while photography is no doubt in an early stage of its evolution as an editorial and artistic medium (just look at the creativity of what’s on this site a perfect example of where photography is going), the beauty of photography is that evolution of the art never takes away from what went before. So I would suggest that its not evolving from its infancy, it is merely evolving.

And there is no doubt at all that photography helps us coalesce our collective conscience and move into a new day. No one can look at Smith’s image of Iwo Jima shot through a destroyed bunker and view our current wars or any global conflict through the same eyes. Only by knowing where we have come from can we move on to a new day. So in that regard, photography in its historic context clearly lets us evolve ourselves.

Thanks for giving us a chance to think about these issues at the core of what we all love doing.

Your amigo,
J

Is it OK to digress from the Lovefest here for a moment and return to the erstwhile theme of “Times and Timing”??

For the last ten days or so, among other things, I have been putting together a big slide show (yeah, way too big) for a presentation to the newly founded Korean Students’ Association at the local university up the street from where I live. I have a lot of pictures that I took between 1978 and 1987, which range from tourist snaps of some of my girlfriends in front of old palaces, to social documentary, to ‘didactic’ geography, landscape, and livelihood shots. (None of these have ever been published except for a very few that were up on my website last year as part of a biographical project I called “Six Records of a Floating Life”, a theme I stole from a minor classic of early 19th century Chinese literature). Anyway, the Korean pictures are personal mementoes of not only an adventurous time for me but also the era when I was first becoming a “serious” or at least “focused” photographer. But having shown a few prints to Korean students here from time to time, I realized that for them they are historical documents of a time their parents knew but they themselves have only vague information about.

When they first asked me to do the show I thought I would just show my own pictures, but the more I thought about it, the more I wanted to create a real historical context and the less I wanted it to be mostly about me and my own pix exclusively. Over the last three decades I have collected many old photos and some woodblock prints (the woodblock stuff only in digital form, alas) from colonial Korea under the Japanese, and even earlier, going back to 1894. I’ve also found a few great collections on the Web: one by a US Army photographer who witnessed the Liberation in 1945, and one by a dedicated amateur who was stationed there in the military in the 60s who shot a lot of interesting color slides. So I decided to do the show in five historical segments, concentrating on one artist or photographer in each period (except the earliest period when unfortunately the photographers were largely ‘anonymous’). I have deliberately left out the Korean War… for one thing, it’s too big a topic… for another, lots of imagery from the war has been readily available for decades, whereas the stuff I want to show has been seen only by a few collectors and historians, or not at all… and I have “only” an hour for the presentation… and I’m more interested in what was ‘mundane’ or ‘normal’ at the time, but which now has disappeared from the scene entirely (or not, in a few cases). In that sense, I think I know now exactly what David means when he asks, “…do photographs which exist only because of their historical context help us coalesce our collective conscience…?” Most of these pictures would not win awards as photographs (although I think a few would) but as historical documents they are superb and deserve to be seen, thought about, and talked about… in the proper context, of course.

In creating that context I have two problems (at least! –actually many more). One is that if I talk about each picture, then I not only run out of time very quickly, but it becomes an academic lecture. Coincidentally, the following week I am giving an academic-style guest lecture on Korean development in the 20th century in a class at the same university, but even if I weren’t, I wouldn’t want this one to be a lecture illustrated by my slides. One reason I quit being a college teacher 12 years ago (an incredibly stupid move financially… I had a cushy job and tenure, now I live hand to mouth in weekly, even daily insecurity) was because I was sick of hearing my own voice talking so much (!!!). I have also found over the last few years, as I think many people here have, that slide shows go better with music, at least the right music. So I’ve decided that from now on whenever I do a slideshow outside of an academic classroom, it will have musical accompaniment. I have assembled some good examples of Korean music to represent the spirit of each historical segment… for the last two, it’s actually stuff that was popular at the time, for the earlier periods it’s more like I am using music that’s a bit anachronistic but that ‘evokes’ the era in feeling.

But, if I dispense with talking altogether, then there’s so much of the historical context that the kids will miss completely… but once I start talking, then either the music goes out of synch, or I must hit the pause button… and then it gets very choppy… so, how to mix slides, music, and talking (not a pre-recorded rap, but something casual that includes questions and responses from the audience)??? When I first got the idea to do it, I had no idea how hard it would be to actually work out the mechanics… does anybody here have any experience or suggestions for this problem?

One reason I am laying out all this before you is because so much of ‘Burn’ (and the previous ‘Road Trips’) seems to me to be focused on ‘pure’ photography, photography for its own sake, photography that other photographers might admire… when, in the ‘real’ world, the actual uses and applications to which photography is put (and I don’t just mean selling stuff) require all kinds of other considerations… for example, although I’m certainly no art photographer at all, and only a hack documentary photographer at best, over the decades I’ve been using photography as an indispensable part of what I do… (as do, for example forensic photographers, radiologists, insurance claims adjusters, real estate agents, military planners, astronomers, you name it… and each of these fields has implicit standards of what ‘good’ photographs are, and what are good and effective uses of photography)… so I’m suggesting, maybe it wouldn’t hurt to expand the dialog to occasionally take in some of these other points of view. After all, it’s all photography…

Another consideration harks back to the theme of photographs in historical (and cultural) context… if I were showing these pictures to Americans, there are all kinds of things I would have to explain and give names to or the pictures would be largely meaningless. Since the audience is Korean, there’s a lot they will recognize instantly… Naturally I am very curious to see just how much they ‘read’ in the photos, and how much they will respond…

(While I was writing the above, John Langmore’s post appeared, which is certainly related… now I feel better about not entirely ‘hijacking’ the thread)

Cheers,

Sidney

DAH

I hope you are heading to Seville, for Semana Santa and the Feria then later El Rocio great festivals, you can see a couple of pics from both in my galleries. I still have alot that I haven’t printed up yet.

cheers

Ian

You know, what is missing here at Burn magazine, and what it really needs, is non-photographers looking and commenting on these photos and essays. Who cares what other photographers think? They are poor and can’t buy your stuff.

wendy

thanks so much for the thoughts – there is a long reply awaiting moderation here.. you have made me think and so i am grateful

hopefully the post is not lost.. since it was a lengthy diatribe..
david

BURN-MASTER
thanks for releasing the comment

WENDY
please see above for the reply.. and thanks again.

HARVEY
as mentioned to ANTON on occasion – genuine offer of help with burn is here.. couple of hours a day on filtering emails, releasing comments awaiting moderation.. whatever it may be please just ask..

respect
david

David B
I think your book sounds so exciting…
I too, left the music scene in the US
was tired of being thrown in the press pit for the 1st 3 songs,
and then herded out,
‘you got your shots, now get out…’
…not how I like to work..
It looks like you have great, strong photographs
that will appeal to both
photographers
and the fans…
and that
I think is the success with your work…
**

DAH / DAVID

(I prefer DAH but it isn’t short for David Alan Harvey in my mind, its more like the Irish usage of “Da”, an old-fashioned Irish nickname like “Papa”, father figure here..)

Anyway, I digress.

No, it isn’t that I have confused the burn piece with epf, it is that as soon as I finished the rough edit of the “assigned” part (the portraits) I realized I wanted to have a 35mm component as well, so I got to work on that. And, for the sake of time and organization I was hoping to get it all tied up in one fell swoop, so i could have something to present to you here and for epf. I really really wanted it to be a multimedia piece for burn, and that just isn’t coming together yet. Maybe what should happen now, DAH, if you have time next week and are still willing is to have you help with the burn edit (via photoshelter) and to show it as a still piece here? I can keep striving towards the mm aspect after that..

I am sorry it isn’t tidy and tied up..it would have been ready back in September/ October if I hadn’t added the 35mm or started getting audio and all that.

Let me know what you think is best.

erica

i’m guessing the MM piece will include interview with some of the folks in your snaps.. and thats something i really look forward to.

i wonder – after using the backdrop large format and now returning to 35mm would you say you have found a combination between them which achieves what you want to do? having not seen the work as yet i would imagine that the product of both disciplines would vary.. what do you think? are you settling for one over the other which suits your style?

D A H, sidney, jim…

absolutely – the audience outside photography is really the only place to make money out of the craft.. and this knowledge can effect the way we present if not the way we shoot..
on the point of everyone now being a photographer i think that means those who are not photographers full time have a more educated eye than ever before.. the non-photography audience has never been, well, better at looking at photographs.

to a degree i see burn as serving both photographers and non- photographers (in terms of how people make a living).. here we probably lean towards the non-professional (in terms of earning) and i say that purely from experience since when i was freelancing heavily in the past i doubt i would have had the time to commit.. in fact i did not at all.. i worked well outside teh photography industry, blogs and the like and concentrated instead on knowing everything i could about the industry / commission / client i was involved with at the time..
so i guess there are already working and non working (finantially – i know i am walking a tightrope with terms here) photographers on burn.

here is a thought though… which may not need payed staff..
burn is at a point where it has a solid voice.. while still evolving it is now at the point where i think a little general PR and marketing could bring more eyes to the fold..
rather than PR in terms of earning i mean to say in terms of gaining a wider audience.. newspapers have recommended websites with weekend supplements.. magazines like to focus on whats good on the web.. as well as other websites of course..
general lifestyle magazines understand the benefit of detailing lively websites..

i guess where i am going is that i have been thinking on what i can do for burn.. it seems the tech side is tied up and perhaps needs fewer rather than more ‘cooks’, so how about i have a go at working the pr and marketing angle?
i’m used to dealing with publications.. press releases.. contributing content.. so i could, perhaps with bobus, organize a press release.. carry out a publication specific mailshot and work in that area?
i know burn is doing well through everyones efforts here and i guess we are all doing our best to spread the word.. it could not hurt though.. and might well be a solution to bring in more non-photographer readers..
any thoughts?

D A H

just been commissioned for work in the balkens at the start of july and need to think about booking flights to london and then onward / return.. i wonder – do you know dates for the magnum AGM so i could be certain to be in the-smog on the right night?

muchos thanks
david

hi david b

I’m not sure I am grasping the question correctly..but here’s my attempt to answer it. I think each aspect of the piece, or more generally, works in photography need to have a vehicle that best communicates the feeling and purpose and intent of the work. It wouldn’t make sense to me to shoot the moments on the street in medium format, although I could understand environmental portraits in medium format. And I’m not against 35mm portraits, but for this series I wanted something very quiet and close. The whole thing to me feels a bit like a memory, so I have decided to scrap most of the interviews because they were too leading, too direct..I want something more lyrical. I too was looking forward to hearing the interviews, but the more I sit with this I see I want something that touches on the universal, the ‘mortal coil’, to use Joe’s words. I just received some super8 in the mail, and maybe it’s a long shot, but that is the next element I would like to see in the mix. Can’t say if i’ll be able to match the outcome with my vision, but i will try.

BOB,

Peter Luger sauce is that good, huh? :))
I’ve heard of the restaurant forever. Might even break down and eat a lamb chop if I were ever able to go there. (Being primarily a vegetarian.)

Wonder if David and Anton know what a compliment it was to be mentioned in the same breath with it :)))

big hugs to all.

Thank you for the hint, Patricia. And compliments to Anton! As soon as I have the chance to be in Milan I will have a look at the exhibition.

WOW!!! Is everyone here becoming famous right under our eyes??? Bob, that is spectacular news about your being short listed for the CBC Prix Litteraires. Such an honor! I always listen to CBC Radio Two and wonder if I’ll hear you reading from your work. If so, please give me a heads up so I’ll be sure to catch it. You and Anton are making us proud…

hugs
Patricia

DAH

been chatting with anton for a while just now.. packing to fly home from japan.. an excellent trip as i understand it..

wondering – will you be in MADRID for the weekend of friday 20th until monday the 23rd of this month?

pea´s
david

links…

http://www.newsweek.pl/multimedia/fotocasty,Fotocast,Najnowsze,1/37182

http://napoimages.com/index.php?jezyk=an

This is Rafal milach

http://poyi.org/66/02/second_02.php

http://rafalmilach.com/

pictures from POYi are Rafal Milach.

http://rafalmilach.com/

http://napoimages.com/index.php?jezyk=an

DAVID

When you speak of “times and timing” it has many meanings. For me right now it means this is the time for me to finally put up a real live photography website…and I’ve done it! You can check it out at:

http://www.patricialaydorsey.com

Of course it’s early days yet but I’ve been hard at work since I contracted with FolioLink on Friday. I trust it will evolve as I evolve.

You may wonder sometimes if we’re really listening when you share your wisdom here, but my new web site is evidence that we DO take what you say seriously. Months or even years might pass before we enact your suggestions, but it is all a matter of timing. I have had my mind set on putting up a web site like this since last spring when you wrote on Road Trips about the importance of people who are serious about their photography having their own web site. I remember arguing with you about it at the time, saying that a photo sharing web site like PBase or Flicker was just fine, thank you very much. Well, my friend, I came to realize that you were right.

Thank you, dear David, for always saying it like you see it. You are a fabulous mentor.

Patricia

DAVID & ANTON

I’ve made three tries with no success to post here on this thread. It had one link. Could that be the problem? Can you please see if you can find and post the most recent version? Thanks.

Patricia

Thhanks, David.

This is bizarre. I just tried again and it didn’t go through either. That’s post #4 dropping into the Black Hole! Anyway, if folks would please click on my name you’ll be directed to my brand new website. I’d really appreciate feedback. Any and all suggestions are welcome.

OK, I’m going to see if this one will go through…

Patricia

David, not sure you caught it in the other discussion, but did you say you wanted to contact me, about a story to submit?

YES
ian.. i caught that through a blog somewhere.. love it as a project..
i still have access to a darkroom, although it has been neglected and stands empty.. for students really.

i used to enjoy the darkroom.. BnW more than colour.. but then i think i prefer digital work now.. much prefer infact, since i can roll the ´cigs´ without getting the paper wet.

very glad to have worked darkrooms though.. yes – i like that project, sentimental as it is.
d

Strangely coincidental. My local lab shut down all wet proccesses this week. Howard, my printer there, sold me a de-vere 504 multigrade with a full set of schneiders, 20×24 easels, all the chemicals and paper i could carry and a whole bunch of other shit, for £250. bye bye kitchen hello darkroom. On a related note, due to the lab closing i got a bunch of stuff devved at the only other place near me doing BW. THEY COOKED THEM ALL. tri-x pushed 1 looks more like tmax32 pushed about 2. literally blown to shit, and with some [potentially] really nice frames on them. stuff i cant get again. Oh well, only pictures :)
the digital stuff is very very good now though (although im sure the purists will get goosebumps at that)
john

Great link! funny that it seems everyone has digital timers. Even tho i used to print for a living, i always used the type that you turn the dial, and as it always seemed less than accurate, mostly relied on mississippis…

that’s very funny..did you pick our roles randomly? ’cause i am more than happy playing Sosipatra, who was radiant in her beauty, and was said to have possessed extraordinary psychic and clairvoyant abilities.

……….. THE PHILOSOPHERS……………

that was the funniest post/comment i have ever read ( Road trips & BURN combined…)
( although i see Jim P. as Diogenes the Cynic, but then again i could be wrong…:)))))))))))))))))))

A CIVILIAN-MASS AUDIENCE,
What can i say………. i wish you could reveal yourself at some point…
you obviously well read, super educated and your brain cuts like a knife…
i will be laughing till the rest of the day..
please write more often…
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))

YES , PANOS…

they will need your help to translate the whole “play” .
Lot’s of laughs :))))))))))))))))))))))))

Panos; But we need cynics too, as a counterbalance. Just take what they say with a grain of salt!!

ROSS.,
absofuckinlutely….
Cynics are the salt, are the best…
more than needed here!!!!!!!!!!

CIVILIAN MASS AUDIENCE….

we gotta love you even if you are a UFO..there are exceptions to every rule…yes, funniest thing yet here on the forum and my only worry is that you have too much time on your hands!!!

i am coming to Europe on thursday…will we meet???

c’mon, make my day….

cheers, david

brother P…ummm, i mean Protagoras, u got that right…

by the way, I LOVED THE DAY IN THE HOOD SHOW! :)))))…that’s some freaky shit…really, like u gotta get Cube to turn it into a movie…really loved the joy in it…just now, no time to write much….but, im still looking ))))

hugs
b

yea PROTAGORAs, REALLY love it….

you know the work of Jamel Shabazz???…his book ‘BACK IN THE DAY’! ….LIKE THAT book sets my heart on fire, y’all!!…you dont know that book Protagoras, like GET THE MOTHER FUCKER NOW! :)))

here is his website

http://www.jamelshabazz.com/

Bob… hmmmmmmmmmmm ,
that IS pretty cool… thanks for the link…
i will DO…!!!!!!!!

Wow. What an amazing mind our friend has! And such an astute observer of humanity. I am honored to be cast as Arete of Cyrene, although I had to google her to see who the heck she was.

Well, I like her very much indeed. Arete was a student of Plato (DAH), daughter of Aristippus, the founder of the Cyrenaic school of philosophy, and a philosopher/writer/teacher in her own right. I do love that she’s quoted as saying, “I dream of a world where there are neither masters nor slave.” The article I read went on to say, “She sought to spread equality of sex, race, and man throughout the ancient world, and lived that way, promoting her ideas to 100s of pupils, until her death.”

Oh, and the best part of it all? The Cyrenaic school saw PLEASURE as the highest goal in life. But not to be pursued as we might imagine. “In a rather Buddhist way, then, the Cyrenaics believed in separating the soul from a desire to gain pleasure as the best means to one day obtaining it. The greatest good was aloofness from desire, and an appreciation for pleasure when it appeared.”

CIVILIAN MASS AUDIENCE you may not be a photographer but you ARE a friggin’ genius! Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us. Any chance you’ll take off your cloak someday and identify yourself? T’would be great to get to know you better, for you certainly do seem to know us…

Patricia/Arete of Cyrene

I,m LOVING IT….
we are ALL GREEKS for the day….
it feels like HOME…………..

A civilian-mass audience:

i’m thankful to be included but, can i ask, why Axiothea of Philius for me?
all i can find about her is that she dressed like a man and/or wanted to
disguise herself as a man.
can’t i be someone more high-flying like patricia’s and erica’s counterparts?
pleeaase??

laughing..

:))

k.

oh, and wow.. so many more men than women here. wonder why.

PANOS

Was meant in the best possible way.

No tongue…No cheek..

Just seemed to fit!

MT

Mark…
i dont know if its just me…
but today… im laughing and enjoying BURN…
in a unique, different way..
It totally feels “light” as a comedy club…
My oh my, this place is so multi dimensional..
i cant get bored … in here…
such a great party… with ALL TIME ZONES, ACCENTS included…
Damn.. and its all FREE…
NO bouncers either…
Damn, thats the coolest place on earth…
Burn … THE ROOF IS ON FIRE…

Aristophanes?! YES, woo hoo!

panos – your joy and “lightness” today is infectious. i am laughing a lot too. :D
and, well, if i’m honest with myself i guess i do dress more like a man than a woman.
but how did s.he know that?? ;9

Thank you all,

Dear Sidney, I was in a big hurry when I was posting
Please inform Mr. Andrew for his role:

ANDREW Sullivan as Heraclides (the Ponticus).

Dear Katia,

you are Plato’s student…what else can u ask.
You have another name : Lastheneia of Mantinea.In your teens you were a lovely and full of unstudied grace.

Burn people, take your cameras and start shooting and editing cause the deadline is almost here…I am working too, got to wake up tomorrow.

Please,I am just a civilian …leave it like this…

“lovely and full of unstudied grace” – LOVE IT!
ok, i’m happy now. :))

going to look at your site, patricia..

k.

Been away for the weekend so just catching up. Did Bob and Anton get picked for awards? could only find congratulatory posts, not the original news??… Well congrats to both of you none-the-less!! :) Not sure what for though… can somebody fill me in?

I just posted some new images from this weekend at the Arnold Classic bodybuilding competition. Its held every year in Columbus, OH and is quite a trip! I made a quick little multimedia piece too, more for fun really…. Not too serious. Images are in “blog” Multimedia is in “multimedia” (“Classic Beef”)

Please check them out if you have the time: http://www.jameschance.com

Patricia.

Vast improvement on your site! I get so frustrated by over complex animated websites that in trying to be fancy, only succeed in making it a real challenge to view the images. You have an easy to navigate menu and a simple cursor that stays in once place enabling quick viewing through images. Perfect! I enjoyed seeing more of you work also! Is there more on this new site? Or is it that it is just easier to find now?… This just echoes my point above. Congrats! looks great!

Cheers!

James

Test… Cant seem to post here??

Oh that worked???… What’s going on? I cant seem to post my main message? Seems Patricia was having troubles earlier too. Anyone know what the problem is?

Strange?…. I took my url link out and this time it posted??? Weird!?

PANOS

I’ve already taken Diogenes the cur as my own, and I’m not exactly a cynic….

Great post….

Jared,
yep, you are right…….cur Diogenes..
:))))))

PANOS, GRACIE, JAMES & ABELE

Thank you so much for taking the time to look at my new website. Your positive responses make me very happy indeed. The important thing to me is that it be simple, straightforward, easy to navigate and a good environment to showcase my work. I’d been using PBase since November 2006 but it was time for my website to reflect how serious I have become about photography.

I remember a discussion we had on Road Trips last spring and how adamant DAH was about serious photographers having their own websites. I argued with him at the time saying that being on a photo sharing website was an advantage because you were part of a community. As the year went on I realized he was right. But for many of us it is a matter of timing, finding the right web designer and finances.

By the way, I really do recommend the web design company I contracted with. FolioLink.com is extremely user-friendly with helpful phone support M-F from 9-5 EDT and easy to understand online instructions. They have lots of templates, each of which gives a different look and varied options. I chose to go with Flash instead of HTML which was more expensive but can handle multi-media. I have Lisa Wiltse (Teen Pregnancy essay) to thank for pointing me towards FolioLink. As soon as I saw her website I knew it was what I wanted mine to look like. Thanks, Lisa!

To answer your question, James, I still have more portfolios I could post but will probably wait a bit and let these settle in first. It’s like eating peanuts–I could get obsessed. But there’s no rush.

Again, thanks to all…

hugs
Patricia

P.S. James, I never could get my post that had a link on it to go up here. That’s never happened to mme before but I know some others have occasionally had this problem. Makes me realize how lucky we are that things usually work so smoothly on Burn. Thank you, dear Anton, you wizard!!!

Thanks Patricia, I have never had problems in the past either. I guess i’ll give it another shot again…

A peek into the strange world of bodybuilding “Classic Beef”

New pics at: http://www.jameschance.com/multimedia/jctextblog/textblog.php

Multimedia at: http://www.jameschance.com

Yeah, its the definitely the links! I can’t make a post if it has a link in it? Seems that this isn’t always the case though?… Most strange. As you say Patricia things are usually so smooth.

I would really like to show you guys some of this new work too! :(

I guess if anyone is interested in a peek into the rather surreal world of bodybuilding, please click on my name at the top of the post to link to my site. There is a collection of images in my blog, and a multimedia piece entitled “Classic Beef.”

Cheers!

James

Gracie, you can email me at playdorsey@comcast.net

Look forward to hearing from you.

Patricia

patricia

love the site – clean and really simple to use.. the opening photo is a cracker also..
going to have a longer wander through it now..
just up feeding and changing top cats nappie at 6am :ø)
all is well.. 5 months.. discovered shouting.. and feet.

james..
beef is good.. like the pace of it and the music adds to the tense sinew and popped veins of the contestants. an awful thing to do to oneself, i think.. each to their own.. each to their own..

david

Dearest Mr. Harvey,

Thank you again for the invitation. Now, it’s open out there…
We will meet when the TIMES and TIMING is right.

Since we are going through this global financial CRISIS I can say that you seem like an “extra-ordinary” man.
Please , accept my praise… I can go forever…Yeah , right…
Washington, April 24 (ANI): Japanese researchers have shown that money and praise go hand in hand, by finding that being nice to people or giving them a compliment activates the same reward center in the brain as receiving cash.

The research team led by Norihiro Sadato, a professor, at the Japanese National Institute for Physiological Sciences, NIPS (SEIRIKEN), and Keise Izuma, a graduate student of the Graduate University for Advanced Studies, in Okazaki, Japan, has offered neural evidence which suggests that the brain’s reward system works similarly for both praise and money.

Now you can scratch your bald head and smile all the way to the bank.
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Dear Gracie,

Thank you.
I have a role for you,

GRACIE as Leontion

Please inform:
JAMES CHANCE is back as Aeshines Socraticus

ROSS NOLLY as Diodorus Cronus

Beautiful essays and websites …!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

civilian,

thank you. i had to look up who the hell leontion was. she was scant but argued her views and was a follower of something, or someone or whatever… zzzz…

well, im in the club… im in the club… (moonwalk… dork!)

Dear Mr.Harvey,

I do certainly hope we meet…
And since you mentioned the Buddhist thinking. I have to say that my “boy”,DL is suffering :

Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, delivers religious teachings at the Tsuglakhang temple in Dharmsala, India, Wednesday March 11, 2009. Life for Tibetans under Chinese rule has been ‘hell on earth,’ the Dalai Lama said Tuesday, attacking Beijing in a speech to mark 50 years since the failed uprising that forced him into exile.REUTERS/

If I only knew that Mr. Bickford was a painter I would have given him the :

CHRIS BICKFORD as Phidias.

If I only knew…

Thanks Civilian!…. i’m off to learn ancient Greek!

Also wanted to apologize for all my multiple postings. Not sure what happened last night but my numerous failed attempts all appeared at once today. Sorry ’bout that!

DAH

sounds really fine, and if you are jet lagged and don’t get to it, that is fine too..sounds as if we have time if things get that far and also will ned your input for the burn edit anyway…

thanks a bunch a travel safely

sorry ,I wanted to say…
We had a heavy winter

Spring is the sweetest!!YES!!
My dear David Bowen your role is Arcesilaus …you shouldn’t sound that “poetic”.
Or maybe not??
See, Mr.Chance is going back to study…his role!!!

Erica and everyone else who struggles with the deadlines I am really sorry if my posts caused …missed
messages .
I thought, I can hijack this thread. Again my apologies…

Good luck to everyone.

LOVE AND PEACE

P.S Don’t forget to study your history too.

KATIA

I just read the comment you posted on my new blog. I’m going to email Mary Ellen Mark and tell her about the community of young people you’ve connected with on Seattle’s streets. I know she’ll be interested. I want to send her the link to your photos on livejournal at

http://iamkatia.livejournal.com/

Is that OK with you?

Thanks, dear friend, for living as you do. And love to all of our kids. May they stay safe…

hugs
Patricia

i´ve used a point and shoot plenty.. one is always on the coffee table at home and i´ve had PS work published after my gear crashed on commision.

i reckon the over riding opinion here will be … who cares what it is shot on?!
just shoot and make good pictures with whats comfortable.

Sometimes it’s important what it’s shot on but at the end of the day it what suits your working method/style and the look you want to achieve. Even for major ad campaigns Albert Watson uses whatever he feels like, For his increadible book Maroc he ranged from 10×8 to 35mm compact.

I have shot major exhibition stands on a D200

Check this guy out

See http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6468-7844

OOPs forgot to post the url.

http://www.filippomutani.com

SPACE COWBOY! :))))

i couldn’t agree MORE with you! :))))))))….i hate big glass, big rigs, be it cars or cameras…i prefer my small shit, especially for close up and personal…it’s why i love my lomo…and even on my old rusty 35mm, i keep a very small lens….it’s weird, cause sometimes when i walk around looking at other photogs, or when im ‘shooting’ an event where there are lots of photogs, i think:

‘bob, that’s it, you do not want to be a phtoographer any more:” ;))))

already warped out, too late ;)))

off
b

space cowboy

Get yourself one of the carl zeiss prime lenses, or even use an old nikon prime instead of a zoom on the d200.
That way you have to do the legwork and get in close with a nice small lens

ATTENTION ATTENTION

CHARLES PETERSON AS Antisthenes

CHRIS BICKFORD the painter AS Phidias.

Please don’t hesitate to comment if you find more inaccuracies…

Now, go back to the essays. You have time for history…Later

They usually don’t comment about my Canon, but I’ve on more than one occasion had the subject blurt out, “Oh, my God, that’s a Leica, isn’t it!” :)

CIVILIAN…
i was talking with David, yesterday… about you..
You are the new mystery here…
We totally love your greek “approach”, the comedy/tragedy idea…
We are thinking to post the “roles”/Philosophers…
on a permanent place… so we all know who is who…
driving
P(rotagoras )

CIVILIAN,

What’s your role? Did I miss? Help me. We need a role for you.

laughing…………..
yes… Haik is a computer genius…
Nuff’said…

SPACE COWBOY,
“if you shoot up close, do you feel it gets in the way?” it all matters who you shoot – they don’t care if you are intimate enough and not intimidating ( unless you need to ).
but them darn big lenses aren’t cuttin it, man. m8’s small but ‘spencive. e410 or whatever is latest is small and cheap and will go well with your om lenses. just make sure you ask for one with 0 gravity mode button. or just stick with your d200 and a small prime – that one has 0G. stay away from iPhone – its 3g only nowdays.