124 thoughts on “Dubai. The Walk.”

  1. eduardo sepulveda

    Also x100s? It marvels me that a DAH is a DAH is a DAH no matter what tool you use. Yellow on the walls and light board of the bike gives me some Oaxaca hint but… quite a different pace on the foreground.

  2. Frostfrog

    Well, here I am back for my now weekly visit. Not much going on, it seems. No new essay to look at, no real discussion or dialogue of any kind taking place. It goes without saying that David’s Dubai pictures are all pretty damn decent.

    See you next week.

  4. panos skoulidas

    Dubai…never been there..never even came close..i was always afraid that there’ll be no beer/wine…
    Also , even if there is which now i know that alcohol is avail..im afraid i wouldnt be able to afford it…
    Can someone go there as a tourist (speaking middle class America again), and actually afford a month vacation …?

  5. panos skoulidas

    Bill, obviously David is shooting and Dubai not so famous for its internet “connections” i think (not sure)…
    But speaking of “real” discussion?
    You and Me and All are suppose to be “THE” discussion, right?
    Gotta help here…tell us your recent experiences…he he, gotta chip in , here ,its not a Vegas show..(tongue in cheek;)
    biggest hug bro

  11. Frostfrog

    Panos, it is still Saturday so I can comment without breaking my one day a week resolution:

    “Gotta help here…tell us your recent experiences…he he, gotta chip in , here ,its not a Vegas show..(tongue in cheek;)”

    Panos, I tried this suggestion of yours last Saturday. It didn’t work here, but fell completely flat. And that was the best one I am likely to come up with for awhile. I certainly have nothing to match it this week – just a rather mundane flight home from the Brooks Range I made Thursday and then posted on my blog.

    Yesterday morning, I did eat breakfast at Abby’s, where I was drinking my coffee out of Tim’s cowboy cup, when Tim walked in expecting to drink out of that very cup. Abby makes the best breakfast of any restaurant I have ever eaten in – right here in Wasilla, Alaska. I have cut my blog down to one or two posts a week and haven’t post it yet, but I will, soon, because she has changed her hours and my blog has attracted many customers to her, so I promised her I would post her new schedule.

    Now there’s some discussion for you!

  19. Frostfrog

    Panos, I got a chuckle out of the “One man standing – RESIST” shot. Very nice. Excellent eye work.

    At the same time, you also managed to put an exclamation mark on the point I was trying to make.

    However mundane a flight through the Brooks Range, passing in a small plane once again but in reverse through those severe and beautiful mountains, where David almost got killed. and then continuing on across the main body of Alaska is still a wonderful experience. I never tire of it – and I twice TRIED to share it with you.

    In my own personal river, the water is at a good level and flowing well. After my surgeon and the American medical system wiped me out last summer, I thought I was done for, along with my wife and cats.

    Anyway, I did not see how I could hang in without losing my home and just about everything else (But damnit! I would have kept those cats going no matter what!) yet workwise things have really turned around good for me. I have some excellent projects under way and am making good money – although, given the medical bills, it does not feel as good as it ought to. Given the vagaries of being a freelance photographer/author, I know it won’t last forever and then of course I must yet have a third surgery to try to repair the damage my surgeon inflicted upon me during the last two rounds.

    Yet, my entire career has been one financial disaster and then another, but each time something has always materialized to not only save me from destruction, but to keep me working on something worthwhile. And I’ve rescued a good number of cats. Maybe next time, cats will rescue me.

    For now, the river is flowing well and things are going good and that’s why I have cut back my time not only here on Burn but everywhere online, including my blog. I’ve had a lot of fun with my blog and have taken it to some pretty interesting places, but as an economic enterprise it has been a fool’s quest. (Should you read this, Imants, I can already see you jumping up and down with glee…)

    But damn! It has been fun and I don’t regret it all.

    Ross – those images are a nice, quiet, way to break the quiet. I enjoyed them all – especially 1, 3, 5 and six.

    Anyway, it will soon be midnight and so I now end this one day of this week I have allowed myself to browse and comment here at will. Maybe next week I will stop by again and drop in a bit more nonsense.

    Until then…

  20. panos skoulidas

    Bill … Cool , bro!
    Thanks for the time you invested above..
    Feels good when reading stuff written this way …
    Heartfelt ..
    ( oh ok ok ok , I go a little softer , so what !!??:)

  21. Ross Nolly

    Thanks for that guys; I’ve just been quietly working away down here. Am just shooting what’s happening around me; no major plans just shooting and enjoying every minute of it.

    Frostfrog; That’s a real bugger about the medical bills. We moan about our medical system here but don’t know how lucky we are to have free medical care. So a bit of a reality check really….

  22. Ross Nolly

    Re; the flipped car image. I was coming back from my folks place at about 6.30am and was second on the scene. No one injured but the young guy sure looked pissed off! They were off on holiday and as you can see it was rudely interrupted!

    He was trying to take a pic with his phone for the insurance company so I offered to take some and email them to him if he wanted them. Took some for myself too! It amazes me how good 3200asa is from modern small sensor cameras.

  23. Paul

    Picked up the other day one of my wife’s books on Picasso by John Berger. One part that has stood out is with the description on the creation of “Les Demoiselles d’Avignon” and how he had to “forget” his talent and drawing skills to produce something so utterly profound and brutal. Kind of stopped being aware of himself… just being

  24. panos skoulidas

    Ross I agree… Just a few years ago and 3200 Asa was a dream for the future..
    Also speaking of size , Leica was the smallest pro body you can go..
    Nowadays put an M next to a J1 and all of a sudden a Leica looks huge as a dslr ..!!
    Who would know that the most POPULAR and for everyday use camera EVER would come from a smaller phone body???
    Times they are a changing

  25. mw

    I doubt assigning Panos, or Panos self-assigning, the task of keeping comments going is going to have any kind of long-term success. Could be wrong, of course, so go for it… but I believe the problems run much deeper.

    The biggest tell is all the cockroaches that got cast into the light at the recent Picture of the Year International awards disaster. One of the most respected photojournalists in the world working for the most respected agency in the world, won one of the most prestigious awards in the world and it turned out that he had hired a model, given the model a prop, and shot it at a location irrelevant to the story. The fallout from this was that just about the entire photo establishment rallied around him and effectively swept all the bugs back under the rug. Big, big story, eh? Yet no serious exchange of ideas about such a monumental clusterfuck here on burn. If we’re talking about a site where people talk about current issues in photography, how dead can dead be? Pretty fucking dead.

    No, unfortunately (imo), it’s become primarily a fan site where the comment ranges from “good photo, David” to “great photo, David,” with the occasional “great essay, go team.” Not that there’s nothing essentially wrong with that. It’s just a big change from the way it was before.

    I don’t know why it’s changed so much, gone so far away from interesting discussion about current topics in photography. I have a few theories, all of which probably have a little truth to them, but none of which explain the whole thing. Probably best to just accept that things change and go with the flow.

  27. andrew b.

    mw – agreed…..I followed much of the story online and in comments on various folks FB pages….

    I need to get into a groove with burn again. it seems I read and follow and then BAM! it’s been weeks since I’ve even looked.

    To that end, does anyone have suggestions for reading/following the site on an android tablet? Any particular apps to use? I picked up a Nexus 7 and am trying to learn to use it…..

    good light, all.

    A.

  29. panos skoulidas

    If u are, I’m sure you know by now that a sniper and a marine are both soldier..
    And nobody hired any models or props etc..
    http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/205326/award-winning-paolo-pellegrin-photo-becomes-subject-of-controversy/
    Why folks like puting others on pedestal just to push them over.. ?
    But anyway all jokes aside , no , nobody hired anyone .. If you do more research you’ll find out that there was nothing weird in the making of that photo..

    But again I doubt u referring to Paolo coz that’s old news..
    Visit my Facebook , last month to see all appropriate links that’ll help you judge ..
    Don’t believe the “sour grapes” street talk..;)
    Ok time for a beer

    HAPPY ST.ALCOHOLICS DAY y’all ..
    Right Patrick ?

  30. panos skoulidas

    All stay tuned and breathless .. New “movie” coming up:
    ” how to train dogs how to dance after midnight , while maintaining a brutal buzz”

    Soon to a tablet/laptop near you

  31. andrew b.

    Speaking of St. Alcohol, err, Patricks day…..at our local festival they ran out of beer at 1:00 pm. This was after the official “Blessing of the keg” (yes, by a priest) that occurs at 10:00 am….

  32. mw

    Were there other award winners who got caught using a model, a prop, and a fake location?

    I hate to personalize it, though I guess that’s impossible. And that’s a big part of the problem. Everybody knows Paolo. By all accounts he’s a great guy, fantastic photographer. And Magnum. And POYI. All good people, fantastic contributors to photography, etc. So at the top, is it just a choice between one’s friends and the long standing ethics of the profession. Who wouldn’t choose their friends? That’s not a rhetorical question.

    But as to the topic at hand, why wasn’t that discussed on burn? I don’t mean that as an attack on anyone. It’s just one example of the many that are no longer discussed on burn. But it’s a big example, an elephant in the room, so to speak.

  33. panos skoulidas

    Mike , once again , check my FB page, all your questions has been promptly answered months ago.. I don’t wanna ask :where u been? But really why bring it up now? What friends are u talking about? What sides? Damn , u sound a little grumpy today , but like I said .. All answers are in my FB and on the web..
    It’s funny though how to choose to believe mainstream media accusations , u already charged the guy with a crime and you won’t even MENTION his name ..
    St.Patricks bro, get a beer, smile…
    We all heard the story and accusations from “traditionals” ( aka old farts )…
    Charges dropped and now the vampires looking for next victim..
    Join them all you want but I’m telling you it’ll harm your soul in the end..
    Choice is yours malaka ;)

  34. mw

    I was just going by what he said, which is that he shot a model with a prop in a fake location and that he thinks that’s okay.

    Anyway, my question here isn’t whether or not it’s ethical to shoot a model with a prop in a fake location for editorial photography, or whether it’s seemly for the higher powers to be to bless that kind of thing for particular individuals; the topic I, and a few others, was discussing was why burn comments have been so dead and my question/example of the fake editorial photographs was why such a major issue had barely been mentioned and not at all discussed here. Just seems emblematic of the larger problem. If, of course, lack of comments or discussion of contemporary photography is a problem. Maybe it’s a feature?

  35. Ross Nolly

    Panos; You’re right, I put the little V1 beside the d300 and can’t believe the size difference. For me, for most situations, good enough (quality) has become good enough. For some strange (and probably psycological) reason, I shoot “looser” images with the little cam.

  36. mw

    Or to take another example, the POYI winner was heavily photoshopped, apparently a light source added. John Vink, who sometimes comments here, commented about it at length elsewhere. Over the years there has been a lot of discussion about just that type of thing here. Yet now it passes without a single comment.

    Again, I don’t mean it as an attack on anyone. Just questioning why? And don’t get me wrong, I’m not all broken up over it. Things change.

  37. Paul

    MW…

    I got the impression a lot of online sites especially blogs featured the Pellegrin case as a way of pushing the amount of visitors/hits on their site. These sort of scandals consistently bring out all the armchair photographers, always desperate for an excuse to avoid getting down to taking photos preferring to talk about lens resolutions or bitching about someone more successful than they are.

  38. Paul

    MW…

    Anyway on to more positive things in photography… Have you been out taking photos? Have you noticed that always the best photos are the very first or the very last?
    Here’s my last photo today, although my niece made me load a few more afterwards…
    http://instagr.am/p/W9251bK2G9/

  39. mw

    Paul, no, your impression of the Pellegrin and related issues is not at all accurate. It’s a very real issue widely discussed at the highest levels of photojournalism and documentary photography. The facts are not in dispute. The ethics, very much so.

    Nothing about the way I take photos is consistent. Nice pic, but the blurring looks weird.

  42. Imants

    photographic apps those pesky little blighters have done heap to the way we post process images or in many cases dial up a “pp” without any real input.

    I now teach using apps rather than Photoshop, nik, corel etc. Apps are great in that I do not have to teach high end application like Photoshop and we can get on with image making instead of spending time on technical matters. Great interpretations of an event or idea can be created with a minimum of digital knowledge of the individual.
    .

    Though there is a potential snag with the whole caper ………. when students create app images I ask them ‘Is that what it looked like?” they say no “It looks better in the photograph”. Some go on the talk about that the apps help them interpret what happened, how the apps add depth to the story line, visual impact, audience response etc. But my guess is that they just see it as a extension of their real sense and can differentiate between so called fact and fiction. They are a pretty smart and flexible generation coming our way and they will challenge our ways big time.
    .
    Photojournalism in the traditional sense, here I use a application called comic life but that is a different story……

  46. andrew b.

    Repeat of my question from earlier that may have been lost a bit….

    … does anyone have suggestions for reading/following the site on an android tablet? Any particular apps to use? I picked up a Nexus 7 tablet and am trying to learn to use it..would love to be able to easily follow this outside of the browser interface…but maybe the browser is best?

    Headed to MN tomorrow early. Looks like a bit of snow.

    A.

  48. Paul

    Andrew B…

    No idea if this is of any use but when I don’t have my ipad nearby I read Burn on my Galaxy S phone with google chrome.

  50. a civilian-mass audience

    My apologies,I haven’t been around …I am the one who is requesting reports…oime…

    and now,I am reporting from the war zone …may the spirits be with ALL of US…

    and to our friends in Cyprus …BE STRONG and please say NO,NO,NO to IMF…
    oime…

    MY BURNIANS…ALL MY LOVE to ALL…and believe in you.Thank you!!!

  52. John Vink

    Panos: charging Paolo with a crime? My comments were related to the World Press winner and were an answer from EPUK to a question on that particular photograph. But if I can understand why Paolo added that picture of the guy x the gun I do indeed feel a bit uncomfortable with it in an otherwise outstandingly well photographed story. In fact I think the ‘Crescent’ story didn’t even need that particular photograph. It doesn’t add that much, could have been left out and spare Paolo quite some flak.

  53. mw

    John Vink: That was an excellent article that I think lays out the controversies quite well. I thought Jarecke’s point that it was up to the powerful editors and respected elder statesmen of photography to fix the problem, but that they are for the most part turning a blind eye or profiting from it to be most apt.

    Of course many question whether or not there actually is a problem. I think so and I think it’s grave. What we’re seeing in these POYI controversies is the Fox Newsification of journalism. The idea that it’s more important to tell the Truth with a capital T, as one believes it, than to be factual. Most of us would easily recognize how wrong that is were a neo-Nazi sypmatizing photographer to pose an Orthodox Jew sucking the blood of a Christian baby, but too many of us are blind to the practice when a picture is faked to illustrate the higher truths of a cause we believe in. That’s why journalism, photo and otherwise, needs standards for factual reporting. If it’s okay to fake it in service of your Truth, then it’s okay to fake it in service of someone else’s.

    And on the topic of gathering facts versus inventing them, I can’t help but note how much easier it is to invent a source that says what you know to be True in a dramatic fashion than to actually go out and find relevant and knowledgeable sources, who are then unlikely to parrot your prejudices. On the editorial side, there have been several infamous examples of reporters caught creating “composite” characters over the years, most famously Janet Cook’s young heroin addict. I’m having great difficulty seeing how what Pellegrin did with Breet and his gun, and to a lesser extent the award winning photo, was any different.

    But I hate to personalize it, and that’s maybe an even bigger part of the problem with a lack of standards. As John Vink’s linked article documents, different standards are too often applied to the powerful and the popular. Too often the controversy is about X the person not whatever X did. Thus if X is a great guy with the powers that be on his side, any misstep is likely to be swept under the rug. Whereas poor freelancer Y with a nasty disposition better cross all his t’s or he will be hung out to dry. And to be fair, you can’t expect X’s friends to try, convict and sentence him for violating professional standards. That’s what the powers that be are paid to do. To make it about the act, not the individual. When that mechanism fails, the entire system is corrupted. That’s what I find so disturbing in all this. The powers that be, in this case, the POYI people in both cases and Magnum in the one, pretty much announced that there are no consistent standards. That it’s all up to whatever the individual, or the individual judges, consider acceptable at any given time.

    Not that I don’t think there’s any place for photo illustrations of the sort we’re discussing. As most of you know, I like that sort of thing and appreciate the deeper truths that well-done fiction can communicate. But I was raised in traditional journalism and continue to believe, with plenty of supporting evidence, that that old-fashioned getting the facts correct above all else standard for reporting is the right one for news. I don’t know what they’re doing in J-schools these days, but when I studied at Indiana, and I’ll bet anything that when David studied at Missouri, if, for a news story, a photojournalism student were to employ a model with a prop or in a fake location, use a misleading caption, and misspell the subjects name, he or she would flunk the class and quite possibly be expelled from school. Now we’re in an age when that kind of behavior is blessed by the titans of the industry. I just don’t see how that can be a good thing. Or to put it a different way, we’re pretty much all Fox News now — Fuck yea!!!

  55. panos skoulidas

    In fact I think the ‘Crescent’ story didn’t even need that particular photograph.
    ————————————–
    hmm agree..yeah true too much fuss though over a “filler”…but also a bit “extra” sensitivity” over the captions, not?

  57. panos skoulidas

    Mike…smiling…no no, nobody assigned me , not even self assigned…was actually intrigued by Bill and i felt a little nostalgia too , good ol’fisty days…damn i think i “grew” up softer…;)

  58. Paul

    Imants…

    I keep pinching myself and reminding myself the good image should somehow work just as we’ll without the app filter in Instagram. It’s so easy to fall in the trap of attempting to make a boring image shine with some highly saturated filter…

  60. Imants

    Paul I am not there to churn out photographers I present visual communication …….. photography is just one on the tools used. Sometimes an app takes the dominate role , sometimes it is text, an object’s structural or subjective role, the tactile textural qualities of paint, the crude video juxtaposed with the slickness of a lipstick advertisement, a gesture
    It is an interesting world out there and these kids are setting new agendas it is a privilege to get a glimpse at what they are on about
    Me I make books none of my students create books and very few take up any photographic mantle and that is all fine by me.

  61. Imants

    Yea Ross it is nice to see Daido return to what he created in “74 I remember reading about it as a sculpture student who was not creating anything 3D but placing photos in plastic bags and and hanging them on door knobs in business districts of Sydney. It’s probably why I became a landscaper/stonemason

  62. Imants

    mw for a guy with a somewhat “seen that that’s been done how about something new” mentality about photography there sure is that bring back the good old days mentality in your comment.

  63. panos skoulidas

    Most of us would easily recognize how wrong that is were a neo-Nazi sypmatizing photographer to pose an Orthodox Jew sucking the blood of a Christian baby, but too many of us are blind to the practice when a picture is faked
    ——————-

    Geezus mw …..!!!!!!!
    You sound / write like you just got hired by the “Spanish Inquisition L.t.d” corporation

  64. mw

    Imants, I distinguish between journalism and other types of photography. Truth in labeling, basically. And I don’t know if there’s an Australian equivalent to Fox News here in the U.S., but it’s that kind of fact-challenged journalism to bolster a political agenda that’s seriously fucking up this country.

    Panos, forgive me if I’m wrong, but I’ve never gotten the impression that you have much of an education in the history and ethics of journalism. From that history, one can make a very good argument that strict ethical standards regarding facts and how they are presented is society’s best protection against Spanish Inquisitions, Beer Hall Putsches, Richard Nixon, and the like. Without that kind of grounding, it’s all too easy to look the other way when our side, or our friend, does it. But on the institutional level, that adherence to a rule of law, so to speak, is what separates the healthy from the corrupt. Those who go out and work as journalists don’t need the polls to tell them that the profession is held in some combination of distrust and contempt by a helluva lot of people out there. Sacrificing facts to an agenda is a big part of the reason why.

  65. mw

    About the caption thing, I didn’t make a big deal out of that, it’s hardly on the level of a threat to western civilization. But I suspect that just about everyone who’s been chewed out by an editor or had a reader call in to complain about a fucked up caption is a little sympathetic but not particularly amused. Top professionals and organizations should represent, not be like everyone else.

  69. Imants

    “But on the institutional level, that adherence to a rule of law, so to speak, is what separates the healthy from the corrupt.” jeez the guy is a loony, now he is in the game of upholding a law then again no healthy mind ever understands word healthily.

  70. mw

    Journalism education is studying the history of the craft and how ethics have developed over time. Hearst, Pulitzer, Murrow, Lippman, Severeid, Time, Life, I.F. Stone, as well as the philosophies that support or mitigate free press.

    Rule of law and ethic #1 in journalism is that you don’t just make shit up. Not that some people can make shit up and others can’t, depending on one’s political leanings. One should shiver when journalists just make shit up and get away with it.

  73. mw

    No, just talking about journalism. Journalism, not art photography or creative storytelling or other types of photography.

    When one studies journalism, which includes photojournalism, one not only learns about the history of the craft and the thoughts and actions of its leading practitioners; one also studies philosophers such as Aristotle and Kant and how their thoughts were important in the development of a free press, and also the history of political freedom itself, in which journalism has played an important role.

    Of course these are subjects about which reasonable people can hold different opinions and can certainly disagree on the particulars of any one incident, but it’s because of that kind of common educational background that so many journalists take these things so seriously. I understand why the non-journalists among us so often take what may seem to be minor breeches of journalistic ethics so lightly, but it’s unfortunate. That kind of thing played large and wide really is a threat to political and intellectual freedom.

  74. Imants

    That’s what I was writing about in response to you journalism not what you are doing here manipulation, by introducing your last comment with “No, just talking about journalism. Journalism, not art photography or creative storytelling or other types of photography.”

    Seems like most of the world is in breech of your standards that non-journalist comment is particular distasteful and a fabricated lie

  77. mw

    But if you want to man up — in this conversation at it’s most basic, I’m saying that it’s unethical and counterproductive for journalists to just make shit up. Are you saying you think it’s right and proper for journalists to just make shit up? All of the time? Some of the time? In very special circumstances? In order to get a paycheck or win a prize?

    (of course it’s very unlikely you will be able to produce any example of me calling anyone here a racist. I’m usually very careful to condemn the words or the act rather than the person (a practice you would do well to emulate). Just because someone says something that could be interpreted as racist doesn’t mean that person is racist and here on burn I have always assumed that no one who comments regularly is racist)

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  82. Imants

    mw March 9, 2013
    You all would be better off personally and the world would be a better place if you’d learn to get past racist type bullshit and judge people primarily by the content of their character. Sydney may have made brazil and Roberta feel good but it comes at the cost of insulting other people, Kerry, for example

  83. a civilian-mass audience

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    the answer was NO,NO,NO…Greece is F%$##&…
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  84. mw

    Imants, you seem to have a serious problem with reading comprehension. More sophisticated readers can plainly see that nowhere in the passage you quoted did I call Sydney a racist. I said that what he wrote was “racist type bullshit,” which it was. The kind of sentence construction he used has done incalculable harm to innumerable young women and that kind of depicting particular ethnic traits as ugly has often been an excuse for oppression throughout history. As for Sydney, I didn’t think he was a racist, I just figured he meant well but was being thoughtless. I know we all have our little private preferences, but publicly — and in reality — all women are beautiful.

    Panos, you seem to have the impression that the teaching of ethics at J-school consists of writing down and memorizing Truths with a capital T. That’s not at all the case. We study history and philosophy and then bring that to bear on current issues in journalism. For example, we read Kant and discussed his argument that in order to be ethical it was necessary to always tell the truth. In this discussion, we can apply that to the idea that a journalist should never just make shit up. Well, what if Kant’s walking down the street and a bloodied young woman runs by and darts down an alley? Then a few seconds later a crazy guy with a bloody knife runs up and asks him which way did she go? Kant would have to tell the truth whereas any normal person would feel it’s more ethical to lie in that situation. Then you can start applying those kinds of mind experiments to journalism. Should a reporter make shit up to avoid nuclear annihilation of the human species? Yea, duh. But what about making shit up to save lives immediately that may cost many more lives down the road? Or to make shit up to help a cause the reporter feels is right? Where does one draw the line? How can institutions deal with those questions. That’s the manner in which serious journalists discuss ethics. The easy answers are on the extremes. In the day to day real world all too often there are no easy answers. But it’s important to have the discussion and some kind of institutional consistency. Cause seriously, history shows that when the institutions become corrupt, freedom of the press is threatened. And when freedom of the press is threatened, so is freedom.

  88. Imants

    Sorry no can accept your squirming and twisting after the event as you usually do, mind you this time you didn’t state that it was meant as a joke I guess that excuse got a bit thin. It seems that you are doing precisely what you are complaining about here on journalists of today………. stretch and reorganize comments …. then sort of but not really apologise later or ignore at your convenience .

    You lecturing us on ethics is nothing short of laughable

  89. mw

    No squirming and twisting. I use precise language and the quote you provided is an excellent example. Using language precisely — yet another thing you would do well to emulate.

    What’s your problemo, anyway? It seems you’ve got an unhealthy obsession with me. It’s verging on sick, imo. But if you really care about my views on ethics, why don’t you attack my views instead of just calling me names? That’s how normal people interact. Go ahead, give it a try. I dare’s ya.

  90. Imants

    No problem just a bit miffed with your preaching and doing quite the opposite yourself, calling people racists, stating that non journalist photographers are slack in their attitude and someone like you is better.
    Mind you I see a liberal use of stretching what is there in your images must be the art part of your “factual” outlook.
    I will leave you to your soap box and preachers mindset enjoy, I’m off to catch some real fish there is a nice hatch of mudeyes in Fish river

  91. panos skoulidas

    You lecturing us on ethics is nothing short of ….
    ——————–
    Ok , I mean, really , mw… stop it… Smiling.. It really gets “painful” after a while… Lets move on, plz..pretty plz… Enough with judgements

  92. mw

    Imants, yes, I’m a liar, a preacher, think I’m better than everyone else, certainly a hypocrite. Of course it’s obvious that what I really am in our little abusive relationship — as are all the other people you attack — is rubber and you are glue. All that shit you say about us just comes back and sticks to you. That’s what it’s really about, eh.

    Panos, you’re probably the most judgemental person I know, which is what I like about you. Of course I find a lot of your judgements ridiculous, but that’s okay. So please, go ahead and keep judging all the things you like to judge. And I’ll judge mine. If you don’t like it, well, nobody’s forcing you to look. I don’t look at your dog pictures. Nor Imants’ little productions. Seen one, seen way too many. But again, that’s fine. Do your thing. I’ll do mine. It’s a big ole world.

  95. mw

    Re John Vink: yea, I’m sorry for my part in it. You try to have an adult conversation about contemporary issues, a troll comes out from under the bridge, and it’s hard not to respond to insults and accusations of dishonesty and hypocrisy. Guess that’s one reason that a lot of people have left the schoolyard and probably a big part of why the teacher no longer gives much of a shit about keeping the schoolyard going. Oh well, back to class for me.

  97. panos skoulidas

    On a serious note , the kid in this photo below looks very judgmental …

    http://instagr.am/p/Wj6PPDhrbF/

    good morning y’all , lighten up, it’s all easy..
    Wherever there’s human, there’s an opinion and a judgement..
    They are like assholes.. We all have one and we all are ONE..
    Lift up your hand if your excrements don’t stink:)
    Hmm see? I knew it.. Just go closer and you’ll “hear” the smell..
    Nobody’s that special.. Not yet

  118. a civilian-mass audience

    a message to ALL OUR BURNIANS in Cyprus…

    if you need any kind of help,please contact civilian…

    Be strong!!!

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